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St Teresa of Avila's famously orgasmic vision?

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contrex
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jun, 2014 04:11 pm
I don't know who put the lipstick and rouge on the statue; it is not original.
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jun, 2014 09:17 pm
@McTag,
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I did not think it necessary to state obvious and simple facts to one so learned.


You didn't think it necessary to provide information to support your cockamamie ideas. You can't be anything but a bald faced liar, McTag. You play this dishonest game a lot.

You make the claim, you support your claim. You operate just like Oralloy.
oristarA
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jun, 2014 09:59 pm
@contrex,
contrex wrote:


I would hazard a guess that Bernini thought so (the sculpture represents the vision described above):



So the vision means imagination there?
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jun, 2014 10:15 pm
@oristarA,
"Vision" here means, "the mystical experience of seeing as if with the eyes the supernatural or a supernatural being."
oristarA
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jun, 2014 10:32 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

"Vision" here means, "the mystical experience of seeing as if with the eyes the supernatural or a supernatural being."


Why does the vision capture the loser's cup: notorious then?
contrex
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jun, 2014 10:36 pm
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:

Why does the vision capture the loser's cup: notorious then?


Notorious because sexual
contrex
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jun, 2014 10:37 pm
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:

So the vision means imagination there?


Religious visions are either manifestations of the divine, or hallucinations, depending on your point of view.
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oristarA
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jun, 2014 01:44 am
@contrex,
contrex wrote:

oristarA wrote:

Why does the vision capture the loser's cup: notorious then?


Notorious because sexual



Well, is imagination guilty?
It seems she did not even have any sexual imagination of, let alone behavivor with any man. So is the imagination that led to great pleasure that resembled sexual joy guilty?
And further, how do you know her imagination was sexual? She told you?


contrex
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jun, 2014 02:01 am
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:
Well, is imagination guilty?

You seem to be misunderstanding. This is more than mere 'imagination'.

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It seems she did not even have any sexual imagination

It certainly does seem so, if you believe many psychoanalysts and scholars. You have no basis for saying otherwise.

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So is the imagination that led to great pleasure that resembled sexual joy guilty?

Yes, in the eyes of a writer who chooses the word 'notorious'.

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And further, how do you know her imagination was sexual? She told you?

See above. I have read her own accounts of her visions. I haven't got time to educate you about mediaeval religious visions in (mainly) female saints or the well documented diagnoses of repressed sexuality which is said to have caused many of them.
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oristarA
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jun, 2014 02:02 am
@oristarA,

Saint Teresa of Avila is documented as Virgin and Doctor of the Church.
Notorious? Because some interpret her vision as having sexual connotations?
contrex
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jun, 2014 02:07 am
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:
Saint Teresa of Avila is documented as Virgin and Doctor of the Church.
Notorious? Because some interpret her vision as having sexual connotations?


1. Being a virgin and/or a "Doctor of the Church" does not infallibly rule out the possibility of sexual feelings, which can exist in everyone. Do I really have to point that out to you? (How old are you? Have you ever had sex?)

2. You are still misunderstanding the significance of the word 'notorious'. It was the choice of Dawkins (who you have failed to name, as usual). It is his opinion. Many interpret her visions as sexual; not all consider them notorious.




oristarA
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jun, 2014 02:52 am
@contrex,
contrex wrote:

oristarA wrote:
Saint Teresa of Avila is documented as Virgin and Doctor of the Church.
Notorious? Because some interpret her vision as having sexual connotations?


1. Being a virgin and/or a "Doctor of the Church" does not infallibly rule out the possibility of sexual feelings, which can exist in everyone. Do I really have to point that out to you? (How old are you? Have you ever had sex?)

2. You are still misunderstanding the significance of the word 'notorious'. It was the choice of Dawkins (who you have failed to name, as usual). It is his opinion. Many interpret her visions as sexual; not all consider them notorious.



Cool.
I think the 'many' have interpreted the vision quite well. I don't know why Dawkins wanted to use the word notorious, which sounds badly negative while Teresa seemed innocent in this case.
contrex
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jun, 2014 03:35 am
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:
I don't know why Dawkins wanted to use the word notorious, which sounds badly negative while Teresa seemed innocent in this case.

Indeed. Dawkins is not a great writer, nor is he famous for being neutral or balanced.

McTag
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jun, 2014 08:03 am
@JTT,

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You didn't think it necessary to provide information to support your cockamamie ideas. You can't be anything but a bald faced liar, McTag. You play this dishonest game a lot.

You make the claim, you support your claim. You operate just like Oralloy.


Claim? Defining the meaning of a word?

This has to be one of your stupidest posts yet.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jun, 2014 08:07 am
Teresa of Ávila (aka Saint Teresa of Jesus) is the patron saint of headache sufferers ... Wink
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oristarA
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jun, 2014 08:13 am
@McTag,
McTag wrote:


Quote:
You didn't think it necessary to provide information to support your cockamamie ideas. You can't be anything but a bald faced liar, McTag. You play this dishonest game a lot.

You make the claim, you support your claim. You operate just like Oralloy.


Claim? Defining the meaning of a word?

This has to be one of your stupidest posts yet.


The fight between you and JTT seems meaningless to me.
But it is understandable that you have to fight back. Very Happy
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jun, 2014 08:22 am
@McTag,
Quote:
. Claim? Defining the meaning of a word?

Yes, your silly claim about the figurative meaning of the word. You are really quite the liar. And a language doofus.
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jun, 2014 08:25 am
@contrex,
Indeed. Dawkins is not a great writer, nor is he famous for being neutral or balanced.


JTT's triumph - the Burma Railway.
contrex
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jun, 2014 08:50 am
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
JTT's triumph - the Burma Railway.

SmileSmileSmileSmileSmile
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jun, 2014 08:51 am
@contrex,
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... nor is he famous for being neutral or balanced.


Awfully hypocritical of you, C. You know that McTag is wrong, Walter has noted it a couple of times and strangely you are silent.
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