An interesting discussion on transgendered men/women

@ossobuco,

ossobuco wrote:

As I said early, to be discriminating is human;
it is a reasoning trait our brains have.

U deny that animals are able to discriminate, Osso?????

David

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@ossobuco,

ossobuco wrote:

The question is, is a transgendered woman a woman, not whether you have to ask her out.

I was doing a little research by Googling the words, "transgender" and "forum." So, in reading postings by transgendered males, I think I've discerned that many surgeons leave the prostate intact for likely health reasons. Plus, in reality I believe, there are men that want to specifically date transgendered males because the prostate is almost analogous to an uber g-spot. So, in my opinion, a transgendered woman (was a male) is not a woman. Perhaps, more like the earlier operating systems with a "C" prompt, not "windows"? Or, the earliest version of "windows"?

And, in reading these posts, I believe any empathy would really be more appropriate given to the transgendered individual, since it is not an easy life after surgery. Whether anyone wants to date a transgendered woman or not is as important a question as what one likes as dessert, in my opinion.

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@chai2,

chai2 wrote:

So....you get to be selective in saying you won't date a transgender.

Pretty cut and dry to me.

Of course you get to be selective. The original question in this post was this:

Buttermilk wrote:

Is it really discriminatory to conceive a transsexual man as a man, even though I accept their full transition to being a woman?

My answer it is discriminatory to not date someone because of their trans status. And that if someone does that then they don't fully accept that person as their identified gender.

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@Pantalones,

and I said that's bullshit.

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@Pantalones,

Well, look who's here. A much older Pantalones. What country are you in, these days.

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@Pantalones,

So its ok that on a plotonic level I go out with a transgender, but because I choose not to be romantically involved is when I'm then being discriminatory. So in essence there is a fine line.

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So since by consensus of this thread mylack of romantic interest in a transgender person is by definition discriminatory, I believe this is a case of positive discrimination versus negative discrimination.

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@Buttermilk,

Well, you were right. This has been an interesting discussion, and a remarkably civil one.

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@roger,

Well I like to think despite my own personal annoyance by a couple views here, at the end of the day its good to get a perspective of other folks' views. Believe it or not, I think I'm going to re-evaluate my own prejudices regarding this issue thanks to chai, engineer, oss, ebeth et al.

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@Buttermilk,

Buttermilk wrote:

Well I like to think despite my own personal annoyance by a couple views here,
at the end of the day its good to get a perspective of other folks' views.
Believe it or not, I think I'm going to re-evaluate my own prejudices
regarding this issue thanks to chai, engineer, oss, ebeth et al.

Pleased to have been of service, BM.

David

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@Finn dAbuzz,

because my experience with the community locally is that it is much more vocal and demanding than anyone who might consider speaking on their behalf

that may have to do with our particular trans community in Toronto rather than a global norm - but yup, nothing anyone here has said is close to what you hear from some of the local activists

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@engineer,

this was the most interesting question raised (for me)

engineer wrote:

On the other hand, if <snip> you have mutual attraction why would you out of hand dismiss the relationship?

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@Buttermilk,

Thank you.

I'm no whizz. I know Pantelones, he is very bright, not least re fotbol.
Well, we'll see on that.

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@Buttermilk,

I wonder if a lot of it has to do with everyone's different takes on the meaning of discrimination - or perhaps applying defn 1 v defn 2.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/discrimination

I could well have misread Finn but I thought he was talking about discrimination in this sense

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2 Recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another

I'm pretty sure we all do that - though in the case of many transgender people I've met you'd have a hard time recognizing the difference unless/until you got extraordinarily up close and personal - to the point of seeing surgical scars.

Transvestites are a lot easier to i.d. from my perspective.

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@ehBeth,

Fair enough. Your experience is greater than mine when it comes to this group of people.

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Allegedly there are 700,000 in America afflicted with having the brain of one gender and the body of another. I am deeply skeptical.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

Allegedly there are 700,000 in America afflicted
with having the brain of one gender and the body of another.

I am deeply skeptical.

Of what r u skeptical ?

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@ehBeth,

ehBeth wrote:

I wonder if a lot of it has to do with everyone's different takes
on the meaning of discrimination - or perhaps applying defn 1 v defn 2.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/discrimination

I could well have misread Finn but I thought he was talking about discrimination in this sense

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2 Recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another

I'm pretty sure we all do that

OF COURSE.
U can t get thru the day without making selections.
I posted that several pages back.

ehBeth wrote:

- though in the case of many transgender people I've met you'd have
a hard time recognizing the difference unless/until you got
extraordinarily up close and personal - to the point of seeing surgical scars.

Transvestites are a lot easier to i.d. from my perspective.

What does the d. stand for there, Beth???

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

Quote:

Of what r u skeptical ?

that there are so many botched copies of the species running around.

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@hawkeye10,

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Of what r u skeptical ?

hawkeye10 wrote:

that there are so many botched copies of the species running around.

What proportion of the species
did u EXPECT to be botched ??

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