@neologist,
neologist wrote:
It's taking forever for us to adopt gender-neutral pronouns, so this move is very encouraging. The best we've got at this point is "they," which is obviously quite awkward. Some Swedes, for example, have started to use "hen" instead of "han" (he) and "hon" (she). And German parents can now select an indeterminate gender for their children.
Blah blah, etc.
In some cases, Blah, blah, blah is right but not, I think, in all.
The number of people to which these pronouns would be appropriate is very small, but if they wish to self-identify as an
intersex individual and it's important for them to be referred to as "han" instead of "he" or "she", that's fine with me as long as they don't expect me or others to somehow recognize, without being told, of their status. I think, as well, that they are very likely to be disappointed if they expect this to catch on around the world. I can imagine though some politically correct people insisting that companies use these pronouns in advertisements or newspapers using then in articles that have nothing to do with the topic of gender (enter the blah, blah, blah).
From what I can discover estimates of the number of intersex individuals is highly dependent upon how one defines "intersex." Most websites, that I have found, that are devoted to the topic of intersex status report estimates of birth rates that range from 1 in 1,500 to 1 in 2,500. In each case they acknowledge that it's a difficult number to come up with. One though, Intersex Roadshow, claims it is as high as 1 in 150. This seems preposterous.
I did find this
Quote:Anne Fausto-Sterling s suggestion that the prevalence of intersex might be as high as 1.7% has attracted wide attention in both the scholarly press and the popular media. Many reviewers are not aware that this figure includes conditions which most clinicians do not recognize as intersex, such as Klinefelter syndrome, Turner syndrome, and late-onset adrenal hyperplasia. If the term intersex is to retain any meaning, the term should be restricted to those conditions in which chromosomal sex is inconsistent with phenotypic sex, or in which the phenotype is not classifiable as either male or female. Applying this more precise definition, the true prevalence of intersex is seen to be about 0.018%, almost 100 times lower than Fausto-Sterling s estimate of 1.7%
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source
Here is Fausto-Sterling's website
http://www.annefaustosterling.com/
Quote:Dr. Anne Fausto-Sterling is a leading expert in biology and gender development and has achieved recognition for works that challenge entrenched scientific beliefs while engaging with the general public. Using a groundbreaking new approach to understanding gender differences, Dr. Anne Fausto-Sterling is shifting old assumptions about how humans develop particular traits. Dynamic systems theory permits one to understand how cultural difference becomes bodily difference. By applying a dynamic systems approach to the study of human development, Dr. C’s work exposes the flawed premise of the nature versus nurture debate
This quoted from her site and I am never impressed or convinced by these self-promoting blurbs which are almost always written by the person themselves. I have had numerous occasions to introduce guest speakers at industry and corporate seminars and functions and they always come prepared with the bio-blurb they want to be used. As you can imagine, they always use glowing terms.
In any case, from what else I have read, the previously cited criticism of her findings seems on the mark.
It's understandable why certain individuals would like to see a given minority status be as large as possible (without I guess becoming the majority). For the individual who actually has or believes he, she or han, has the status, it must be comforting to imagine not being quite so alone. For someone like Dr. Fausto-Sterling the larger the number of intersex individuals, the more relevant her work, and for those who are interested in being activists for the intersex, the degree of attention they can receive or the clout they can wield is directly related to the size of the group they wish to represent.
My conclusion, at this point, is that this is not a large enough group to generate or warrant a dramatic change in language.
Have done some of this internet "research," I know too that there are people who cannot be classified as intersex, based on any definition, who favor the adoption of gender-neutral pronouns as a
replacement for the gender-specific ones we have used for centuries…
not as an addition. As always these folks are entitled to their opinions, but as usual, the basis of their desire for change is predicated upon hyperbolic fancies about the horribly destructive nature of gender identity, which most often is expressed by a screed against old white men
of privilege.
Gender-neutral pronouns need not be a politically correct topic, but it already is, so yeah…blah, blah, blah.