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Does political correcteness weaken the fabric of a nation?

 
 
Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2014 06:43 pm
> A third grader is suspended from school for pointing his finger at a fellow student and saying "bang".
> A school no longer has an awards night for high achieving students, because the regular students might become disheartened.
> According to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, it is illegal for employers to discriminate against criminals because it has a “disproportionate” impact on minorities.
> Government workers in Seattle have been told that they should no longer use the words “citizen” and “brown bag” because they are potentially offensive.
> Washington state's governor signed into law the final piece of a six-year effort to rewrite state laws using gender-neutral vocabulary, replacing terms such as "fisherman" and "freshman" with "fisher" and "first-year student."

There are many such instances reported almost daily in the news. I can't doubt the good intentions of the officials involved; but does it help? Can we afford it?
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2014 06:50 pm
Such is the stuff of a nation inward crumbling. Imagine saying fisher instead of fisherman. What's next, sheet called a shim? Disgraceful.
roger
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2014 06:54 pm
@edgarblythe,
No, Shimorher.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2014 07:01 pm
@neologist,
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I can't doubt the good intentions of the officials involved;

motives are irrelevant. If a doctor kills your mate by rooting around there bowels in a operation trying to " do his best" even though he had not the first damn clue what he was doing are you give the doc a pass for his " good intentions?

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but does it help?
more importantly, does it hurt? (HELL YES!)

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Can we afford it?
we are a broken down rapidly failing superpower. We cant afford any further idiocy.
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engineer
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2014 07:07 pm
@neologist,
Political correctness has existed since the colonies were founded. Don't get married by age 20, burned as a witch. Marry someone of a different race, get banished from the state of Virginia, come out as gay, lose the Republican nomination for your long held state house seat. The public has always let its non-conformists have it with both barrels. It is already part of the fabric of the nation.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2014 08:04 pm
@neologist,
The country has been going to hell for years... we knew it was going downhill when we let wommen vote. Once we let colored people go to white schools it was really all over.

The county is doooommmmed,
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2014 08:11 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

The country has been going to hell for years... it started when we let wommen vote. Once we let colored people go to white schools it was really all over.

The county is doooommmmed,



We always think more is better. Bring on more till the crash happens, that is how it goes almost every time. Bring on more victim culture!

BTW: you did notice didn't you that more, more, more casino style american banking just about killed the global economy a few years back, that we only saved the situation by adding over a $trillion in debt, and that the middle class is getting killed??!!


Sometimes bad things happen. Sometimes these bad things happen after years of warnings that the bad things were coming if we dont reform. Sadly, we too often dont hear, or dont care.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2014 08:36 pm
Just one kid gets suspended (sent home for a brief time) for a fake gun... and this is said to be "weakening the fabric of the nation". Meanwhile 74 kids are killed with real guns in schools, and that doesn't even make the list.

There is something pathetic about this type of thread.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2014 09:18 pm
@engineer,
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Political correctness has existed since the colonies were founded.


No, it hasn't. Learn something.

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One group of Marxist intellectuals resolved their quandary by an analysis that focused on society’s cultural “superstructure” rather than on the economic substructures as Marx did. The Italian Marxist Antonio Gramsci and Hungarian Marxist Georg Lukacs contributed the most to this new cultural Marxism.

Antonio Gramsci worked for the Communist International during 1923-24 in Moscow and Vienna. He was later imprisoned in one of Mussolini’s jails where he wrote his famous “Prison Notebooks.” Among Marxists, Gramsci is noted for his theory of cultural hegemony as the means to class dominance. In his view, a new “Communist man” had to be created before any political revolution was possible. This led to a focus on the efforts of intellectuals in the fields of education and culture. Gramsci envisioned a long march through the society’s institutions, including the government, the judiciary, the military, the schools and the media. He also concluded that so long as the workers had a Christian soul, they would not respond to revolutionary appeals.

Georg Lukacs was the son a wealthy Hungarian banker. Lukacs began his political life as an agent of the Communist International. His book History and Class Consciousness gained him recognition as the leading Marxist theorist since Karl Marx. Lukacs believed that for a new Marxist culture to emerge, the existing culture must be destroyed. He said, “I saw the revolutionary destruction of society as the one and only solution to the cultural contradictions of the epoch,” and, “Such a worldwide overturning of values cannot take place without the annihilation of the old values and the creation of new ones by the revolutionaries.”

When he became Deputy Commissar for Culture in the Bolshevik Bela Kun regime in Hungary in 1919, Lukacs launched what became known as “Cultural Terrorism.” As part of this terrorism he instituted a radical sex education program in Hungarian schools. Hungarian children were instructed in free love, sexual intercourse, the archaic nature of middle-class family codes, the out-datedness of monogamy, and the irrelevance of religion, which deprives man of all pleasures. Women, too, were called to rebel against the sexual mores of the time. Lukacs’s campaign of “Cultural Terrorism” was a precursor to what Political Correctness would later bring to American schools. In 1923, Lukacs and other Marxist intellectuals associated with the Communist Party of Germany founded the Institute of Social Research at Frankfurt University in Frankfurt, Germany. The Institute, which became known as the Frankfurt School, was modeled after the Marx-Engels Institute in Moscow. In 1933, when Nazis came to power in Germany, the members of the Frankfurt School fled. Most came to the United States. The members of the Frankfurt School conducted numerous studies on the beliefs, attitudes and values they believed lay behind the rise of National Socialism in Germany. The Frankfurt School’s studies combined Marxist analysis with Freudian psychoanalysis to form the basis of what became known as “Critical Theory.” Critical Theory was essentially destructive criticism of the main elements of Western culture, including Christianity, capitalism, authority, the family, patriarchy, hierarchy, morality, tradition, sexual restraint, loyalty, patriotism, nationalism, heredity, ethnocentrism, convention and conservatism. These criticisms were reflected in such works of the Frankfurt School as Erich Fromm’s Escape from Freedom and The Dogma of Christ, Wilhelm’s Reich’s The Mass Psychology of Fascism and Theodor Adorno’s The Authoritarian Personality. The Authoritarian Personality, published in 1950, substantially influenced American psychologists and social scientists. The book was premised on one basic idea, that the presence in a society of Christianity, capitalism and the patriarchal-authoritarian family created a character prone to racial prejudice and German fascism. The Authoritarian Personality became a handbook for a national campaign against any kind of prejudice or discrimination on the theory that if these evils were not eradicated, another Holocaust might occur on the American continent. This campaign, in turn, provided a basis for Political Correctness.


http://restoringamerica.org/what_is_political_correctness.htm#Chapter%20II
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2014 09:33 pm
when I think of political correctness I think of retribution towards those who speak unpopular ideas or who use unpopular . This is very new, and is very dangerous.

I did long rants on the damage done by organizing around popularity when Robert came out with the New A2K...nothing that has happened since that time has changed my mind.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2014 09:37 pm
The list didn't make any sense to me.
Then I saw a similar thread by Tsar, which I graduated to think of and treat as a joke thread. I didn't check the sources.
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Real Music
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2014 09:54 pm
@maxdancona,
Wow! Do you really believe giving women the right to vote was bad for the country? Do you really believe that allowing black students to go to school with white students was bad for the country? Did you really refer to black people as colored people in the year 2014? Yes, political correctness in many ways has gotten out of control. I can give you many examples of political correctness going too far. But, you and your comments are sickening. Anyone who has read your comments about women and black people will see you for what you are. Your disgraceful comments destroys what could have been an interesting and intellectual discussion. Thanks for ruining the discussion.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2014 10:00 pm
when I think of political correctness I think of retribution towards those who speak unpopular ideas or who use unpopular words. This is very new, and is very dangerous.

I did long rants on the damage done by organizing around popularity when Robert came out with the New A2K...nothing that has happened since that time has changed my mind.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2014 10:22 pm
@Real Music,
Time for you to catch on re picking up irony..
used fairly often on a2k.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2014 10:24 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:

Time for you to learn about irony..
used fairly often on a2k.


we still have more than our share of smart wordsmiths running around here....

the nagging about my spelling does get old though.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2014 10:31 pm
@hawkeye10,
Yeah, re spelling. Some of us type too fast, or were never spelling stars in elementary school, or are dyslexic, or have advanced arthritis, or a mashed up hand. Or type sound alike words from our brain to fingers bypassing thinking about it, and don't catch it. Thomas told me that word once, something like homophones, e.g., there and their and they're. Prime words for screwing up, even if you know the correct one.
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Real Music
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2014 10:40 pm
@ossobuco,
Sorry, about that. I read everything you said literally. Now, I'm a little embarrass about the things I said about you. I apologize for my angry comments. Just a misunderstanding.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jun, 2014 07:00 am
@hawkeye10,
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when I think of political correctness I think of retribution towards those who speak unpopular ideas or who use unpopular . This is very new, and is very dangerous.


Very new? My ass!

In the 1600's suggesting that God wasn't a trinity would get you beaten or worse.

Have you heard about the Red Scare, or the Alien and Sedition Act? People used to get literally tarred and feathered (or worse) for speaking unpopular ideas.

People today might lose their NBA franchise and walk away with billions of dollars. I have a little trouble sympathizing.

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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jun, 2014 07:32 am
@Real Music,
The irony was not in my words, but maxcondona's.
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engineer
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jun, 2014 09:53 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

when I think of political correctness I think of retribution towards those who speak unpopular ideas or who use unpopular words. This is very new, and is very dangerous.

This is in no way new. What is new is the speed of communications. Speak unpopular words or ideas and the Spanish Inquisition will remove your intestines while you watch. Put your laundry out on Sunday and the community will shun you and the pastor will denounce you from the pulpit. Marry the wrong person, talk to the wrong person, wear the wrong clothes, be of a certain race, the majority enforcing their views on the minority with agressive, even vicious force is absolutely nothing new. Have your car vandalized because you have an Obama sticker? It's happened for years.
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