Is this really considered rape?

So in the same breath you say " that is not true" as well as " I dont understand the concept".

Consent needs to be continuously reauthorized according to most states...

"If the complainant is unconscious during the sexual activity, she has no real way of knowing what happened and whether her partner exceeded the bounds of her consent," the ruling said.

The definition of consent is an ongoing state of mind where individuals can ask their partner to stop, McLachlin wrote.

Next up: consent ends when a person is no longer able to withdraw consent, tie a woman up and put a ball gag in her mouth and then we the state will get you for rape, even if she asked you to do it.

No, it doesn't have to be "continuously reauthorized"--but the partner has to be capable of withdrawing his/her consent at any point.

What's your problem with that definition of consent?

If she can't withdraw consent, what makes it not a rape?

Are you saying that a female who agrees to be tied up and gagged loses all rights to withdraw her consent for subsequent acts,

hawkeye10 wrote:

So in the same breath you say " that is not true" as well as " I dont understand the concept".

I certainly understand the concept. I just don't understand what you understand about the concept. My hunch is that you don't understand much at all.

Is it starting to dawn on you that I am right a whole lot more than your political beliefs can handle?

This is a "few minutes" where she was lying next to him after she had crawled into his bed with him.

Quote:

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch has dropped columnist George Will and told readers that his provocative column on sexual assault on college campuses was a factor in the decision.
“The change has been under consideration for several months, but a column published June 5, in which Mr. Will suggested that sexual assault victims on college campuses enjoy a privileged status, made the decision easier,” the editor’s note read. “The column was offensive and inaccurate; we apologize for publishing it.”


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/george-will-sex-assault-column-st-louis-post-dispatch-108052.html#ixzz356SPqhbN

" we published a view that goes against the feminists story line, we apologize for publishing it.”

" we published a view that goes against the feminists story line, we apologize for publishing it.”

I wonder why these crimes are so under-reported?

What is the evidence that these crimes are under-reported? How is this number measured?

Is this one of those things that everyone believes because it supports a narrative, but no one has any facts to back it up?

Only Psychos Think Rape is OK...Right?

Societal Attitudes Supporting Rape

- A survey of 6,159 college students enrolled at 32 institutions in the U.S. found the following: (ref 4)

· 54% of the women surveyed had been the victims of some form of sexual abuse; more than one in four college-aged women had been the victim of rape or attempted rape;

· 57% of the assaults occurred on dates;

· 73% of the assailants and 55% of the victims had used alcohol or other drugs prior to the assault;

· 25% of the men surveyed admitted some degree of sexually aggressive behavior;

· 42% of the victims told no one.

- In a survey of high school students, 56% of the girls and 76% of the boys believed forced sex was acceptable under some circumstances. (ref 5)

- A survey of 11-to-14 year-olds found:(ref 5)

· 51% of the boys and 41% of the girls said forced sex was acceptable if the boy, "spent a lot of money" on the girl;

· 31% of the boys and 32% of the girls said it was acceptable for a man to rape a woman with past sexual experience;

· 87% of boys and 79% of girls said sexual assault was acceptable if the man and the woman were married;

· 65% of the boys and 47% of the girls said it was acceptable for a boy to rape a girl if they had been dating for more than six months.

- In a survey of male college students:

· 35% anonymously admitted that, under certain circumstances, they would commit rape if they believed they could get away with it (ref 6,7).

· One in 12 admitted to committing acts that met the legal definitions of rape, and 84% of men who committed rape did not label it as rape.(ref 6,7)

- In another survey of college males: (ref 8)

· 43% of college-aged men admitted to using coercive behavior to have sex, including ignoring a woman's protest, using physical aggression, and forcing intercourse.

· 15% acknowledged they had committed acquaintance rape; 11% acknowledged using physical restraints to force a woman to have sex.

- Women with a history of rape or attempted rape during adolescence were almost twice as likely to experience a sexual assault during college, and were three times as likely to be victimized by a husband. (ref 9)

- Sexual assault is reported by 33% to 46% of women who are being physically assaulted by their husbands.(ref 10)

Sources:

1. Dupre, A.R., Hampton, H.L., Morrison, H., and Meeks, G.R. Sexual Assault. Obstetrical and Gynecological Survey. 1993;48:640-648.

2. National Crime Center and Crime Victims Research and Treatment Center. Rape in America: A Report to the Nation. Arlington, VA; 1992:1-16

3. National Victim Center, and Crime Victims Research and Treatment Center. Rape in America: A Report to the Nation. Arlington, VA; 1992:1-16.

4. Koss M.P., Hidden rape: sexual aggression and victimization in a national sample of students in higher education. In: Burgess A.W., ed Rape and Sexual Assault. New York, NY: Garland Publishing: 1988;2:3-25.

5. White, Jacqueline W. and John A. Humphrey. "Young People's Attitudes Toward Acquaintance Rape." Acquaintance Rape: The Hidden crime." John Wiley and Sons, 1991.

6. Koss M.P., Dinero, T.E., Seibel, C.A. Stranger and acquaintance rape: Are there differences in the victim's experience? Psychology of Women Quarterly. 1988:12:1-24.

7. Malamuth N.M. Rape proclivity among males. J Soc Issues. 1981;37:138-157.

8. Rapaport, Karen R. and C. Dale Posey. Sexually Coercive College Males. Acquaintance Rape: The Hidden Crime, edited by Andrea Parrot. John Wiley and Sons, 1991.

9. Ellis, Atkeson, Calhoun, 1982: Gidycz, Coble, Latham, Layman, (1993); Guthrie, Notgrass, 1992.

10. Frieze IH, Browne A. Violence in marriage. In: Ohlin, L, Tonry, M, eds. Family Violence: Crime and Justice, A Review of Research. Chicago, Ill: University of Chicago Press; 1989:163-218.

11. American Academy of Pediatrics, Committee on Adolescence. Sexual assault and the adolescent. Pediatrics. 1994;94(5):761-765.

12. Heise, L.L. Reproductive freedom and violence against women: where are the intersections? J Law Med Ethics. 1993;21(2):206-216.

http://www.uic.edu/depts/owa/sa_rape_support.html

Past studies have shown increases in reporting, but they did not consider changes in the types of incidents occurring or being reported. “Reporting trends without the details—such as crime completion, presence of a weapon, or victim-offender relationship—can be misleading,” researcher Eric Baumer points out. “Changes in willingness to report can be confused with changes in the nature of the crimes themselves.” So Baumer aimed for a more comprehensive study that considered such details.

He used data from the National Crime Survey (NCS) (1973–1991)[1] and National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) (1992–2000)[2] to find out how reporting has changed over time, who does the reporting, and the effect of the victim-offender relationship on the chance a rape will be reported. Baumer’s research included all incidents involving a female victim and one or more male offenders (1,609 from 1973–1991, and 636 from 1992–2000)...

Although legal, social, and political reforms appear to have improved the chances that a rape or attempted rape will be reported to police, most victims still do not report.

Between 1992 and 2000, an average of 31 percent of attempted and completed rapes were reported. That rate increased over the decade, but the fact remains that less than half of such crimes are reported to police.

Baumer suggests that work be done to identify the policies or practices that encourage reporting and to apply those practices elsewhere. Such a strategy might, in turn, increase the chance of arrest and prosecution and, ultimately, the deterrent effect of the criminal justice system.

NCJ 214118

For More Information
•Baumer, E., Temporal Variation in the Likelihood of Police Notification by Victims of Rapes, 1973-2000, final report submitted to the National Institute of Justice, Washington, DC: University of Missouri-St. Louis, April 2004 (NCJ 207497), available at www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/207497.pdf.

80% of women don’t report rape or sexual assault, survey claims
The vast majority of women who are raped or sexually assaulted do not report the crime to police, a Mumsnet survey suggests, in many cases because they have little confidence that their attacker would be brought to justice.
Martin Beckford , Home Affairs Editor
12 Mar 2012

The poll carried out by the parenting website Mumsnet found that 10 per cent of women had been raped, and 35 per cent sexually assaulted.

Almost of a quarter of victims had been attacked repeatedly, and two-thirds knew the person responsible.

But most of those who had been raped or sexually assaulted (83 per cent) failed to report it to police, and 29 per cent did not even tell friends or family what had happened.

Overall about half said they would be too embarrassed or ashamed of the incident to admit it but two-thirds said they would hesitate because of low conviction rates.

More than half of the 1,609 female respondents to the survey said the legal system, the media and society at large is unsympathetic to rape victims.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9134799/Sexual-assault-survey-80-of-women-dont-report-rape-or-sexual-assault-survey-claims.html

Mumsnet rape and sexual assault survey results

We asked Mumsnetters to complete a survey telling us about their experiences of rape and sexual assault - and the response was overwhelming. Over 1,600 Mumsnetters told us about their experiences, making this one of the biggest surveys so far undertaken into this issue.

The results are deeply disturbing, and reflect what Mumsnetters already knew. Rape and sexual assault are far more common than the world at large wants to admit, and the vast majority of rapes and sexual assaults are never even reported.

The survey (completed by over 1,600 women) shows that, of respondents:
•One in 10 (10%) had been raped
•Over one-third (35%) had been sexually assaulted
•17% had been raped and sexually assaulted
•Meaning in total, 27% of respondents had been raped, and 52% had been been sexually assaulted.
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One in four (23%) of those who had been raped or sexually assaulted had experienced this four or more times

•In two-thirds (66%) of cases the women knew the person responsible

Many women felt unable to report rape or sexual assault:
•Over four-fifths (83%) of respondents who had been raped or sexually assaulted did not make a report to the police
•Over one-quarter (29%) didn't tell anyone at all, including friends or family, about the assault/rape
•Over two-thirds (68%) said they would hesitate reporting to the police due to low conviction rates
•And over half (53%) would not report due to embarrassment or shame

The results also reveal that most women feel that rape victims are treated poorly:
•Nearly three-quarters (70%) of respondents feel the media is unsympathetic to women who report rape
•Over half (53%) feel the legal system is unsympathetic
•And over half (55%) feel society at large is unsympathetic

Thank you to everyone who took part and shared their experiences.

Mumsnet Rape and Sexual Assault Survey (21 Feb - 6 March 2012)
1609 respondents. The data is not weighted.
http://www.mumsnet.com/campaigns/we-believe-you-campaign-survey-on-rape-and-sexual-assault

There's plenty of statistical evidence to back up the under-reporting.

I am asking for scientifically valid evidence. In a scientifically valid study, there is an explanation of how the statistics were derived, what questions were asked, what checks were done.

What I see is a bunch of statistics that could have been pulled from anywhere. All of these are from politically biased sources.

How many people have you had vaginal, oral, • doing things like telling you lies, making promises about the future they knew were untrue,
or anal sex with after they pressured you by

… threatening to end your relationship, or threatening to spread rumors about you?
• wearing you down by repeatedly asking for sex, or showing they were unhappy?
• using their authority over you, for example, your boss or your teacher?

• left strange or potentially threatening items for you to find?
• left you unwanted messages? This includes text or voice messages.
• made unwanted phone calls to you? This includes hang-up calls.
• sent you unwanted emails, instant messages, or sent messages through websites like MySpace
or Facebook?
• left you cards, letters, lowers, or presents when they knew you didn’t want them to?

The NCVS is widely considered the best source of information for many kinds of criminal victimizations. However, the survey presents unique challenges for measuring low-frequency incidents, such as rape and sexual assault, which accounted for 1 percent or 217,331 of the criminal victimizations identified through the NCVS in 2011

There is science, and there is propaganda. I don't see any reason to believe that the 1 in 5 rate is anything but propaganda (not to say that rape isn't a problem on campuses). But this sensationalist number is not at all statistically valid.

In a nationally representative survey of adults:

• Nearly 1 in 5 (18.3%) women and 1 in 71 men (1.4%) reported experiencing rape at some time in their lives.

• Approximately 1 in 20 women and men (5.6% and 5.3%, respectively) experienced sexual violence other than rape, such as being made to penetrate someone else, sexual coercion, unwanted sexual contact, or non-contact unwanted sexual experiences, in the 12 months prior to the survey.

• 4.8% of men reported they were made to penetrate someone else at some time in their lives.

• 13% of women and 6% of men reported they experienced sexual coercion at some time in their lives.

Black MC, Basile KC, Breiding MJ, Smith SG, Walters ML, Merrick
MT, Chen J, Stevens MR. The National Intimate Partner and Sexual
Violence Survey (NISVS): 2010 Summary Report. Atlanta, GA:
National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, Centers for
Disease Control and Prevention;2011

• In a nationally representative survey of adults, 37.4% of female rape victims were first raped between ages 18-24.

• In a study of undergraduate women, 19% experienced attempted or completed sexual assault since entering college.

Krebs CP, Linquist CH, Warner TD, Fisher BS, Martin SL. College
women’s experiences with physically forced, alcohol- or other
drug-enabled, and drug-facilitated sexual assault before and
since entering college. Journal of American College Health 2009;
57(6):639-647.

It is unclear about exactly what is not being reported (being a crime or not a crime).

The problem is that the propaganda, that exaggerates the problems and twists the data, is not useful for making real policy.

Approximately 1 in 20 women and men (5.6% and 5.3%, respectively) experienced sexual violence other than rape, such as being made to penetrate someone else, sexual coercion, unwanted sexual contact, or non-contact unwanted sexual experiences, in the 12 months prior to the survey.