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Poll: 73% of Americans Say Iraqi Abuse "Unjustified"

 
 
McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 11 May, 2004 01:48 pm
I am not implying anything. I am asking Infowarriar which fraternity he pledged.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 11 May, 2004 01:49 pm
So McGEntrix, why don't you share with us your vast military experience?
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Rick d Israeli
 
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Reply Tue 11 May, 2004 01:56 pm
saintsfanbrian wrote:

I admit that there are several conservatives here on the board but they are far outnumbered by the liberal hate machine that is against George W. Bush and everything that he stands for.


Make that liberal hate machine / Europeans...and as an European I say: we love it! But serious now: in Europe, and I know for 99,9% that also counts for America, a government has a certain responsibility towards the people, and the people have the right to criticize the government. That is one of the basics of a good democracy. The fact that so many people criticize George W. Bush can - indeed - be in some cases motivated by personal hate; but more, I think, is because so many people do not agree with the policy of the Bush-government. And you must remember: the US president (or, at least, the government behind it) is the most powerful person (institution) in the world. The decisions he makes have effect on this world. So no wonder people are more critical towards Bush than other government leaders: he can abuse his power, and this can have so much effect on this world - much more than an European leader (to give an example). McGentrix calls it Bush bashing in a negative way; I call it Bush "bashing" in a positive way. It keeps him sharp :wink:
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saintsfanbrian
 
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Reply Tue 11 May, 2004 01:57 pm
I stated that hazing rituals take place and often times are taken way out of hand especially when alcohol was involved. There have been students bound naked to trees in bubble wrap. There have been students "forced" to do things that they normally wouldn't do in order to become a member. Do you think that Animal House was totally made up or that some of the things that happened to those pledges actually happened to one of the writers? I for one think that there are sick things done to fraternity (and sorority) pledges all the time.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 11 May, 2004 01:59 pm
I am not claiming to be an expert in fraternity hazing and therefore have no need to share diddly with you.

Why don't you share your vast astro-physics experience with us as it has about the same amount of bearing on this discussion as your stupid question.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 11 May, 2004 01:59 pm
saintsfanbrian wrote:
I stated that hazing rituals take place and often times are taken way out of hand especially when alcohol was involved. There have been students bound naked to trees in bubble wrap. There have been students "forced" to do things that they normally wouldn't do in order to become a member. Do you think that Animal House was totally made up or that some of the things that happened to those pledges actually happened to one of the writers? I for one think that there are sick things done to fraternity (and sorority) pledges all the time.

So brian, did your house rape you, make you rape others, beat you, kill some, etc...?
The line of reasoning you are following is too stupid for words.
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saintsfanbrian
 
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Reply Tue 11 May, 2004 02:04 pm
Yet you continue to follow it with words. Who is the stupid one now? I never was a member of a fraternity. I don't have to buy friends. I knew people that were in and they told stories of what happened. None were "raped" to my knowledge but being posed with a plastic bag on their head while naked was a common occurance.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 11 May, 2004 02:09 pm
saintsfanbrian wrote:
Yet you continue to follow it with words. Who is the stupid one now? I never was a member of a fraternity. I don't have to buy friends. I knew people that were in and they told stories of what happened. None were "raped" to my knowledge but being posed with a plastic bag on their head while naked was a common occurance.

But you yourself have admitted that rape was not a common fraternity hazing experience. This undermnines your assertion that the occurrances at Abu Ghraib were mild harmless activities akin to fraternity amusements. Think befoe you speak nect time, it might serve you better.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 11 May, 2004 02:14 pm
some of the alleged actions you mean.

Stacking people up naked, being humiliated in front of the opposite sex, be forced to do certain objectionable activities are routine on many college campuses and fraternities. I have been witness to many similar activities.

You are exaggerating his comments for effect.
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saintsfanbrian
 
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Reply Tue 11 May, 2004 02:17 pm
hobitbob wrote:
Think befoe you speak nect time, it might serve you better.


I would offer you the same advice.
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Wiyaka
 
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Reply Tue 11 May, 2004 02:45 pm
Quote:
hobitbob wrote:
So McGEntrix, why don't you share with us your vast military experience?


As a former US Army Pathfinder, serving in Vietnam with the 9th Infantry Division Pathfinders, attached to and made an honorary member of the Royal Thai Special Forces (Queen Cobra), the First Brigade of the 101st Airborne Division (Separate) and the 101st Airborne Division, I'm curious as well. I speak with experience of combat and the UCMJ So McGentrix, the question remains. Why don't you share your vast military experiences?

We in our units were proud of our prisoner handling. I personally conducted field interrogation of prisoners, even when just treating them medically and transporting them through the jungle endangered my men's lives and mine. I fully understood the importance of intelligence, since it affected me and my men directly. I also understood what the South Vietnamese would do to get answers...quite similar to the abuses mentioned in this thread.

I even had a heated discussion with my men who wanted to just "roll" a North Vietnamese officer we'd captured, since we were on a recon in A Shau Valley at the time. Luckily, I convinced them to keep him alive. By treating him as I would like to be treated, if wounded and captured, we were able to locate and destroy several caches of munitions. This saved many lives, including that of this officer's son. I'm proud of that and my men for listening to reason.

Oh sure, you'll bring up Calley and the few others that did brutal things. However they were soon made to deal with the ramifications of their actions. However, that still doesn't make it right. Even in basic training during the early part of 1967, we were given a class on the Geneva Convention. We were even given a test on it and those not passing needed to retake the class. Bet these guardsmen and women didn't have to do that and their leaders are to blame.

One last thing. "Ignorance of the law is no excuse." We've all heard this in reply to "I didn't know." from an accused prisoner. I heard it while on duty as a deputy and a cop, but it doesn't wash with our legal system for accused criminals and shouldn't wash with these stupid guards. (I define ignorance as a lack of understanding or knowledge. Stupidity is refusing to learn.) With internet connection available, they refused to go to any reliable search engine and look up handling of POWs. This would undoubtedly bring them to the Geneva Convention. I can forgive ignorance, but not stupidity.
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Wiyaka
 
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Reply Tue 11 May, 2004 02:50 pm
Quote:
saintsfanbrian wrote:
hobitbob wrote:
Think befoe you speak nect time, it might serve you better.


Quote:
I would offer you the same advice.


Children, please. Let's play nicely. Let's not fight over typos.
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husker
 
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Reply Tue 11 May, 2004 02:50 pm
Wiyaka
You were a screaming eagle?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 11 May, 2004 03:04 pm
Wiyaka wrote:
We in our units were proud of our prisoner handling. I personally conducted field interrogation of prisoners, even when just treating them medically and transporting them through the jungle endangered my men's lives and mine. I fully understood the importance of intelligence, since it affected me and my men directly. I also understood what the South Vietnamese would do to get answers...quite similar to the abuses mentioned in this thread.

I even had a heated discussion with my men who wanted to just "roll" a North Vietnamese officer we'd captured, since we were on a recon in A Shau Valley at the time. Luckily, I convinced them to keep him alive. By treating him as I would like to be treated, if wounded and captured, we were able to locate and destroy several caches of munitions. This saved many lives, including that of this officer's son. I'm proud of that and my men for listening to reason.


Then you must realize that this incident must be a result of rogue soldiers and not a conspiracy by the Bush administration to go around torturing prisoners.

Your own experience must make you realize this.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Tue 11 May, 2004 03:07 pm
McGentrix wrote:
some of the alleged actions you mean.

Stacking people up naked, being humiliated in front of the opposite sex, be forced to do certain objectionable activities are routine on many college campuses and fraternities. I have been witness to many similar activities.

You are exaggerating his comments for effect.


Of this I am certain.
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Wiyaka
 
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Reply Tue 11 May, 2004 03:09 pm
husker wrote:
Wiyaka
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You were a screaming eagle?
Yep, but the Vietnamese has no eagles, so they called us the "White Chicken". Maybe they thought of us as fighting cocks, I don't know.

The answer to your question is yes. I wear one 101st patch with a 1 inside of it to show that I was with the first brigade before Division arrived in-country, like many of us do. Now you know the rest of that story. I also have the regular 101st patch and the 9th infantry patch with "Airborne Tab" above it. Yes folks, three combat patches for this lady Pathfinder.


Should any of you wish to learn more about Pathfinders, please check the assocation site at US Airborne Pathfinders We were and are a small group of people quietly doing our job, trying to avoid notice and survive combat. Like I tell people that ask, "Me? I spent most of my time in a base camp drinking beer and carousing with the local women, whenever possible. :wink: Actually, the site is extremely well done and has several links to other sites. Me? I don't have a website. I'm just a dumb Indian woman. (God! Does Sam hate hearing me say that and now the whole world knows my real secret.) Uhoh! Sam just said "Now you have to come up with a new one (secret) now! Twisted Evil
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Tue 11 May, 2004 03:10 pm
saintsfanbrian wrote:
Able2Know is a breeding place of liberal hatred for republicans and conservatives alike. I admit that there are several conservatives here on the board but they are far outnumbered by the liberal hate machine that is against George W. Bush and everything that he stands for. Regardless of any good that may have come from this presidency, all they will see is the bad and will continue to blame him personally for what a group of soldiers did in Iraq. Yet Kerry gets a pass on all of his transgressions.


Thank God you, the voice of Americas conscience are here to offer a sweet voice of reason. Your bravery and sacrifice are astounding and I again thank God for you.
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MyOwnUsername
 
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Reply Tue 11 May, 2004 03:14 pm
you don't need to Bear. God already thank him Himself. Like he did to Bush as well....
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Tue 11 May, 2004 03:26 pm
MyOwnUsername wrote:
you don't need to Bear. God already thank him Himself. Like he did to Bush as well....


sarcasm I hope.......
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Wiyaka
 
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Reply Tue 11 May, 2004 03:31 pm
McGentrix,

I've shared my military experiences. Tag! You're it! Or are there none, simply armchair quarterbacking, to use an old chesnut?
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