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Sat 10 May, 2014 07:21 am
Seems that the recent spate of voter id bills in the several states has been taking a beating. The program, which, about 4 years ago, came up like a fruiting fungus throughout the US, had been proposed by the GP to"Prevent voter fraud'. In several states where these laws were adopted, judges had ruled them unconstitutional and had stated that the burden of proof that "Voter fraud was rampant , thus requiring a remedy" Had not been met at all.
The latest news is that the PA Supreme Court (a predominantly GOP body) ruled that the proposed law was also unconstitutional. Our good governor, Tom Corbett, vowed, post decisis, to take this ruling to a still higher court.
Apparently that's been put on permanent hold, for on Friday(May 9, 2014) a sort of collective sigh came up from the GOP saying "WTF , if we continue this court challenge , we will look as idiotic as Sarah Palin being awarded an honorary doctorate ". "THIS" being that fact that we are in another election year and our governor, seeking a second term has already been predicted to lose big time in the election to a large cardboard box with a picture of Arnold Palmer that the Democrats are proposing to run as their candidate. SO, Governor numbnutz has decided to stop any further court challenge to the SuprememCourts Ruling. SO, the issue of requiring the old folks to schlep into the towns of their birth (Sounds kinda like the Christmas story doesn't it) and then PRODUCE 2 OFFICIAL FORMS OF ID, so they can be issued yet another piesa plastic, IS OFF.
"WTF" really? Have we just spent 4 ******* years spending big bucks for being sold a batch of goo that was merely another cynical ploy to further bifurcate the state and the nation?
DO I really believe that voter fraud was so rampant in the US that SOMEONE had to do something like make us all carry around official Chuckee Cheeze cards?
Am I that dumbheaded to think that all politics is not self dealing?
really?
HOW is it going in your state or commonwealth regarding this very important but highly entertaining issue
Not so rosy, in the Lone Star state.
@edgarblythe,
wanna talk about it? I often hear Ricky on the radio and wonder whether he must study real hard for a blood test.
In 2011, the Texas Legislature passed Senate Bill 14 (SB 14) creating a new requirement for voters to show photo identification when voting in person. While pending review within the judicial system, the U.S. Supreme Court issued its opinion in Shelby County v. Holder, which effectively ended all pending litigation. As a result, voters are now required to present an approved form of photo identification in order to vote in all Texas Elections.
http://votetexas.gov/register-to-vote/need-id/
When you look at the above, you tend to think it is fairly innocuous. CNN said it did not suppress so many votes when put to the first test. But, I have read stories by older people, who simply could not get their photo ID to match, satisfactory to the election officials. Mostly, it just rankles, because we all know the intent of such laws.
@edgarblythe,
What is also interesting is that the 9 out of 10 poorest states are red states, and they continue voting themselves the worst kind of economic governance possible.
On the other hand, Texas is a red state, and their economy is strong, but their Hispanic majority voted for Bush. If they start a voter photo ID, that's going to reduce the Hispanics that votes conservative.
I don't 'get it.'
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:Our good governor, Tom Corbett, vowed, post decisis, to take this ruling to a still higher court.
Apparently that's been put on permanent hold, for on Friday (May 9, 2014) a sort of collective sigh came up from the GOP saying "WTF , if we continue this court challenge, we will look as idiotic as Sarah Palin being awarded an honorary doctorate".
I don't see what is idiotic about legislation to prevent Democrats from cheating in elections. Nothing wrong with Sarah Palin being awarded an honorary degree either.
Anyway, other states will bring the matter to the Supreme Court as necessary.
@oralloy,
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I don't see what is idiotic about legislation to prevent Democrats from cheating in elections.
It was a "group think" play by the GOP , and it all began at the 2012 presidential election cycle. It was done , as the Pa GOP chairman said IN PUBLIC"TO GURNTEE A WIN IN THE ELECTION FOR THE GOP BY KEEPING THE dem VOTERS DOWN IN THE BIG CITIES"
. Cynical ,ageist, racist , JUST STUPID.
The PA Supreme Court stated that "The GOP had not made its case to prove that voter fraud was a problem and that, if it occurred, was limited to one party"
NO examples of voter fraud could be presented by the Allegheny County GOP (who brought the case). SO the commonwealth Supreme Court said WTF dudes,"your giving politics a bad rap"
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:It was a "group think" play by the GOP, and it all began at the 2012 presidential election cycle. It was done, as the Pa GOP chairman said IN PUBLIC "TO GURNTEE A WIN IN THE ELECTION FOR THE GOP BY KEEPING THE dem VOTERS DOWN IN THE BIG CITIES".
Yes. Democrats should be allowed to vote only once per election.
farmerman wrote:Cynical, ageist, racist, JUST STUPID.
It is reasonable to ask Democrats to not cheat in elections.
farmerman wrote:The PA Supreme Court stated that "The GOP had not made its case to prove that voter fraud was a problem and that, if it occurred, was limited to one party"
Was anyone asking them to make such a case?
farmerman wrote:NO examples of voter fraud could be presented by the Allegheny County GOP (who brought the case). SO the commonwealth Supreme Court said WTF dudes,"your giving politics a bad rap"
Sounds like that court is infested with left-wingers who want to continue cheating in elections.
The US Supreme Court will set them straight.
@oralloy,
Quote:Yes. Democrats should be allowed to vote only once per election.
Voter fraud has not been proven, but most understand that the GOP is trying very hard to make it difficult for Americans to vote.
Quote:Since the Supreme Court's 5-4 decision in Shelby County v. Holder in June, conservative governments in the South and elsewhere have raced to introduce new voting restrictions. Most prominent in the attacks is the comprehensive vote-restriction law passed by the Republican majority in the North Carolina legislature. The law cuts back early voting, restricts private groups from conducting voter-registration drives, eliminates election-day voter registration, and imposes the strictest voter ID rules in the country. There is evidence that Republican legislatures elsewhere will follow North Carolina's lead.
VOTING RESTRICTIONS should be a clue even though the GOP has not provided any evidence of voter fraud.
@oralloy,
sounds like Oraloy drinks the GOP Koolaid daily.
"DISENFRANCHISEMENT ARE US" is the new motto of the GOP
@farmerman,
It's gotta be much more than cool aide. They've lost all semblance of common sense; like brain dead.
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:sounds like Oralloy drinks the GOP Koolaid daily.
It is a tribute to the honor of Republicans that values such as "not cheating" are attributed directly to their party.
farmerman wrote:"DISENFRANCHISEMENT ARE US" is the new motto of the GOP
The only party that runs around intentionally disenfranchising American voters, are the Democrats.
Republicans are fine with people voting, so long as they only vote once per election.
@oralloy,
You,
Quote:Republicans are fine with people voting, so long as they only vote once per election.
Prove this from any credible source that there have been voter fraud - by any one in any state.
It's not cool aide that ails you; it's a dead brain.
Quote:Nearly two years and $250,000 later, Schultz said that 238 total cases of suspected election misconduct were investigated. Investigators “found evidence of election misconduct in 117 cases that cancelled out the votes of legitimate Iowa voters,” he notes, and 17 more cases are still being investigated. One of those cases resulted in a not-guilty verdict and four cases were dismissed. Combined, that means at most 134 instances of fraudulent voting were found in Iowa over several elections, compared with 1,589,951 votes cast in the 2012 general elections alone. That means, at most, the investigation found a 0.008427933% rate of voter fraud.
FYI: That means it does not have any impact on the election results.
@cicerone imposter,
And the thing is most of that fraud wouldn't be prevented and would still exist even if they required ID.
Quote:0.002397 percent.
That’s how much voter fraud there was in Ohio last year, according to a report released yesterday by Republican Secretary of State Jon Husted. Out of about 5.63 million votes cast in a presidential election in this key swing state, there were 135 possible voter-fraud cases referred to law enforcement for more investigation..
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/05/23/Husted-voter-fraud-exists-not-an-epidemic.html
@cicerone imposter,
oralboy et al continues to lie about voter fraud, but have not produced any evidence of it. That's typical conservative lies; they don't know anything about ethics or truth. They rely on scare tactics to win votes, and there are enough dummies like oralboy who doesn't know up from down to vote for those yokels who are out to destroy this country.
Here's a list of six lies by the GOP that they continue to repeat ad nauseum for the likes of oralboy and his fellow conservatives.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/six-studies-that-show-everything-republicans-believe-is-wrong-20140423?u
TNCFS
@oralloy,
Quote: Republicans are fine with people voting, so long as they only vote once per election.
Then you should shut the mouths of many of your committeemen whove "Spilt" the beans about their cynical attempts at voter ID .
If the Teapublicans and Teabillies could only explain why they needed a law to prevent what never happens. Poooooor little racist and classist Tea-rabble!
@farmerman,
That's the frustration with "these" people. It doesn't matter the facts that voter fraud is almost nonexistent, but they push the same bull shyt like they have something to latch onto.
Benghazi is the same: Steven's was asked if he wanted added security, and he turned it down twice. Now, the publicans want to blame Obama for not preventing the attack on that consulate; all while the GOP cut funding for consular security.
TNCFS *There's No Cure For Stupid, but they keep trying.
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:oralloy wrote:Republicans are fine with people voting, so long as they only vote once per election.
Then you should shut the mouths of many of your committeemen whove "Spilt" the beans about their cynical attempts at voter ID.
If Democratic leadership admit that they oppose voter ID because they like to cheat in elections, I prefer to let them admit it.
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