THE SHORT BUT HAPPY LIFE OF VOTER ID's

And the imbecile wants it back.

So how do you know they are? Ouiji board, the voices in your head.

Why are democrats too stupid to get a valid ID? Is it just something they don't do or what?

Why are Republicans so stupid as to believe that would prevent voter fraud? I guess it's because they're too busy perpetrating voter fraud by voting in person and by absentee ballot, and fiddling the results from voting machines.

Charging money to vote is against the US Constitution. IDs cost money.

When are you going to provide a free ID to everyone in the US with a valid number on it that represents the person carrying that ID can only be them? Let's have national ID cards that allow the Federal government to track you. That is the only way IDs will prevent voter fraud that is virtually nonexistent. Surely you are all for National IDs to ensure there is no voter fraud.

It has been found that most of the ID fraud were perpetrated by conservatives.

The irony!

I didn't realize they were Set. But, while on the topic, if it prevented one illegal alien from voting then that would be preventing voter fraud, wouldn't it?

I don't usually answer parados, but I think that if a state is going to require an ID to vote, then they should also be distributing a free, valid ID for those that need one and can demonstrate valid proof of identity to the state. I really do not believe that there are that many folks in the country that would vote and not have an ID. I think it's more of a crutch used by progressives to keep the poor folks poor and stupid like they like them.

Why develop a voter ID system when voter fraud is negligible, and doesn't impact the election? Also, the ones pushing for voter ID are the republicans, and they're the ones charged with most of the voter fraud.



And,

First, getting phony ID is a snap. We've had any number of spam threads here about just that topic. So you ID ploy won't stop voter fraud. Second, you completely ignore the common vorms of voter fraud by Republicans, you have no comment on that. As i have and others before me have pointed out, it is common for such fraudulent voting to be accomplished by voting absentee in one state and in person in another. I don't think a lot of illegal immigrants keep homes in two states. Of course, if you've got evidence to the contrary . . .

The CEO of Diebold, the largests manufacturer of voting machines in the country, sent a memo out over his own signature before the 2004 election saying that "we're" going to deliver the state of Ohio for George Bush. The state of Ohio uses Diebold voting machines. Now called Premier Election Solutions, you can read about them here. I suspect they changed the name of the company after the uproar caused by Walden O'Dell, the former CEO.

What you and others on the right allege about voter fraud which you can end with voter ID requirements (yeah, right) is a tempest in a teapot, and you're issuing hurricane warnings. I find it significant that no conservative has come to this thread to address two state voting fraud and the unreliability of voting machine results. I see no reason to believe that conservatives are truly interested in ending voter fraud.

I am sure there are better sources of information, however, here is one pretty good article explaining the difficulty in getting a voter ID for the poor and the elderly in those republican run states who have them with a few examples.

Voter Photo ID Laws Have Harsh Impact on Poor, Elderly and Minority Voters, Study Says

Title of the thread is "THE SHORT BUT HAPPY LIFE OF VOTER ID's", not how evil conservatives are voting in 2 states... I am discussing Voter ID, the subject of the thread. If you want to start a thread on the other stuff, I may visit it and make remark.

I still don't understand the holy hell that voter ID raises from the left. Do so many voters honestly not have ID? I seriously doubt it. No ID, no alcohol. No ID, no govt check., No ID, no driving. No ID, no guns. No ID, no cashing checks. No ID, no lottery winnings... the things you can't do with no ID are astounding and to think that so many from only the left are without ID... Are there no Republicans at all without ID? Why?

Older and extremely poor people generally vote Democrat. The kind of ID needed now is different from in the past. Lots of poor and elderly have trouble producing documents that they will accept. The slightest variation in the information they have often results in documents with a slight variance, which is then rejected.

Voter ID costs money; money that the GOP doesn't want to spend on infrastructure, education, or the expansion of unemployment benefits - but will approve spending of foolish/dumb legislation.

Isn't the GOP supposed to be "AGAINST BIG GOVERNMENT?" Yes or No?

You wrote,

Because it's not necessary; it's negligible and doesn't impact the result of elections. Most of the fraud is perpetrated by conservatives/republicans.

If voter fraud can be prevented, it's by preventing republicans from office and voting. That will cure most, if not all, voter fraud.

That won't cost a dime!

I firmly believe that if a state is going to require an ID, then they have to make that ID free and available. I really do not believe that in 2014 there are people existing that cannot ID themselves to a govt entity to get a photo ID. If there are, I doubt they vote anyways. I have no pity of those that do not have ID already. There is no reason to. They don't a friend or family to drive them? The excuses are ridiculous and lame.

In 2014, there are still older people that were born at home and may not have a birth certificate.
There are a lot of people where their current name doesn't match the name on their birth certificate. (Texas has seen this issue with requiring the names match exactly.)

What a Nazi. I will discuss what i want to discuss, and as rightwingnuts make this a voter fraud issue, i figure rightwing voter fraud counts, too.

Nice. You keep doing that and I will keep ignoring what you say that doesn't pertain to the topic.

It's estimated at 3.2 million seniors without any government picture ID's.

92-Year Old Texas Woman Denied Photo ID to Vote for Lack of Birth Certificate
State Republicans' voter suppression law hitting its target
UPDATED: Media coverage finally results in voting ID for Ruby Barber...
By BRAD FRIEDMAN on 5/21/2014, 6:03am PT
[This article now cross-published by Salon...]

Here is just one more of the hundreds of thousands of reasons that have led the U.S. Dept. of Justice to file suit against Texas Republicans' polling place Photo ID restriction law.

The same law had been previously blocked by the DoJ and again by a federal court under the federal Voting Rights Act, after the state's own data showed the law discriminated against racial minorities and others, while failing to deter actual voter fraud in the state.

But, literally minutes after SCOTUS gutted the heart of the Voting Rights Act last Summer, the section which was used to strike down the law previously, Texas Republicans announced their intention to re-enact the law which, of course, they knew to be discriminatory.

As the Waco Tribune reports, 92-year old Ruby Barber has tried, but has so far failed, to obtain one of those so-called "free" Photo IDs from the Texas Dept. of Public Safety (DPS), now that one is required for her to cast her legal vote this year, as she had for decades, until now, without a problem.

Barber's story is heartbreaking and maddening but, unfortunately, probably not entirely rare. The DoJ estimated, based on the state's supplied data when the federal agency blocked the law in 2012, "the total number of registered voters [in Texas] who lack a driver's license or personal identification card issued by DPS could range from 603,892 to 795,955."

Barber's driver's license expired in 2010 and she's now having difficulty locating "her nearly century-old birth certificate that she'd need to obtain a voter ID under a new state law." As the New York Daily News reports, the details of Barber's story and her fight to try and cast her vote are simply absurd...


A frail 92-year-old woman is the latest victim of new voter identification laws sweeping across the U.S.
Ruby Barber, a senior citizen in the small town of Bellmead, Texas, has been unable to vote because she can't find her nearly century-old birth certificate that she'd need to obtain a voter ID under a new state law.

"I'm sure (my birth) was never reported because I was born in a farmhouse with a coal oil lamp," Barber, 92, told the Waco (Texas) Tribune. "Didn't have a doctor, just a neighbor woman come in and (delivered) me."

Barber visited the state's Department of Public Safety office last week to request the newly required election identification certificate, but was declined after she didn't have a birth certificate.

Under Texas's new strict voter ID law, enacted in June 2013, all voters must show one of six forms of valid photo identification - including a driver's license, a passport, a military ID or concealed gun permit - to be able to vote.

Those who lack a valid photo ID, can apply for an election identification certificate (EIC) - a process that requires a birth certificate or other proof of citizenship.

Barber, unfortunately, no longer has any of the documents she'd need to obtain a ballot.

According to the Tribune, her driver's license expired in 2010 and her marriage license was lost in a 1992 house fire.

She took her Medicare card, Social Security card and expired driver's license to state officials when she sought her EIC, but agency staff insisted she needed to provide a birth certificate.

"I've voted all my life, and not to be able to vote, it just breaks my heart," Barber said of the possibility that she may not able to vote in this year's Texas gubernatorial election - expected to be a close race between Republican Greg Abbott and Democrat Wendy Davis.

Thanks to the publicity, perhaps Barber will finally, somehow, be able to get the state-issued Photo ID she now needs to vote. Maybe. Similar publicity helped 90-year old Texan and former Democratic Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives Jim Wright obtain a Photo ID for voting late last year after he also failed to obtain one initially.

The untold numbers of once-legal voters who don't receive a profile in the local papers, however, are a different story.

And, of course, the next graf of the Daily News story illustrates that Republicans are, indeed, hitting their target with their voter suppression law:

"I want to see a Democrat win," she told the Tribune. "My daddy was a Democrat to the end of his life ... and he said, 'Don't none of you kids ever vote for a Republican.' And I never have."
If it's left up to Republicans, she'll never vote for anyone ever again.

It's little coincidence that TX Republican Attorney General Greg Abbott is both defending the law on behalf of the state and running for Governor this year. It's also no coincidence that he's shown himself more than happy to defraud the public when it comes to lying about the real reasons the GOP has worked so hard for so long to implement these new voting restrictions in the Lone Star State and elsewhere.

We'll hope The BRAD BLOG's legal analyst Ernie Canning is right in his belief that the TX law is likely to be nixed again in the pending federal case (There are also similar federal challenges pending in both North Carolina and Arkansas.) If the recent federal ruling which eviscerated Wisconsin's nearly-identical GOP law is any indication, perhaps Barber and all legally registered voters who wish to vote this year will get to do so in November after all. But it's going to be an ugly bunch of months between now and then.

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UPDATE: After receiving lots of media coverage and yet another ride to the Dept. of Public Safety, the state of Texas has finally found a way to allow Barber a Photo ID for voting this year. As reported by the Waco Trib...

Despite the lack of a birth certificate, the state was able to verify Barber’s citizenship by finding her birthday in a U.S. census taken in the 1940s, [Barber's son, Jimmy] Denton said. She also showed her Social Security card, two utility bills and her Medicare card.

Now, if we can just get national media coverage for each and every one of the hundreds of thousands of registered voters who still don't have the requisite Photo ID now needed to vote under the TX Republicans' law. Or, as in the case with the Republican nominee for Governor in Arkansas during Tuesday's primary, perhaps we can just hire each one of those otherwise legal voters a staffer to take care of the problem...