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The Absurdity of Atheism

 
 
timur
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jun, 2014 12:32 pm
@InfraBlue,
Sure!

That's why his buddies were cannibals too:

Jesus wrote:
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life;
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jun, 2014 12:39 pm
@Quehoniaomath,
Quehoniaomath wrote:

lol, you like to twist logic don't you?


No...not at all.


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you look mad because of the 'black dark letters' you use.


Do you actually mean "mad"...or are you trying unsuccessfully to say "angry?"

I am neither. I thought I mentioned that.


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Anyway, if there is NO PROOF someone existed he still existed?


No.

And anyone who asserts that is being illogical.

But anyone who asserts that because there is no proof...that is proof that he did not exist...is being every bit as illogical.


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Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhht


Cat on your keyboard?

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what's that fallacy called? l Wink


You tell me.

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I really always had thought something has to be proved, but you relief me of my burden! we don't need proof! Yeahhhhhhh


If you are asserting Jesus did not exist...you have to prove that.

If someone is asserting that Jesus did exist...he/she would have to prove that.

You have to prove your assertion.



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where is this one coming from?


From fundamental logic.



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And what is YOUR religion?




I have no religion.
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jun, 2014 12:42 pm
@Frank Apisa,
How do you come up with this illogical and contradictary ideas???????

1. yes you need proof

2 no, you don't need proof.

Looks like you are stuck in a religion too

It is very simple, as long as there is no proof for a man or hermaphrodite or whatever called "jesus' then I regard him or it as non-existent as long as there is no proof.

difficult eh? Wink
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jun, 2014 12:44 pm
@Quehoniaomath,
Quehoniaomath wrote:

How do you come up with this illogical and contradictary ideas???????

1. yes you need proof

2 no, you don't ned proof.

Looks like you are stuck in a religion too


I'll answer your questions, but first, I've gotta ask the community listening in something.

I'll get back to ya.
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jun, 2014 12:45 pm
@Frank Apisa,
no need too, you don't understand logic at alll.


maybe you have university degree, no, no joke.
Those people can't think either.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jun, 2014 12:46 pm
TO ANYONE LISTENING IN:

I've have very little interaction with Q...so I really do not know if he is just kidding here or if he is serious.

Is he...(how shall I put this)...slow?


Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jun, 2014 12:46 pm
@Frank Apisa,
getting cheap now?
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jun, 2014 12:47 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Have you seen the video of Jordan Maxwell I have put here earlier?
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jun, 2014 12:55 pm
Came a man to court and offcourse a lawyer.

he is a thief, someone shouted.

Have you any evidence to back it up?

Errrr no,

ok, we lock him up now!

Unbelievable!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jun, 2014 01:00 pm
@timur,
That's a good trick; you have to find 'him' first. LOL
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jun, 2014 01:02 pm
For those who haven't seen it yet, jesus is or was a symbol of the son!
the SUN of God!

Hence the festivals at the solstice. the sun dying for three days, the passover when the night are as long as the days ( a cross!) .
It is all Astrotheology. The sun passing the star sign virgo, hence the miraculous birth. When jesus (Sun) die on a cross the light goes out ( the sun)
jesus (the sun) is the light of the world, and so on and so forth!
Therefore there were more , exact 'saviors, because they all symbolise or refer to the SUN!

You see, there is nothing new under the sun!

And catholicism is just recycled old pagan religions.



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Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jun, 2014 01:13 pm
here are some of these 'saviours"!

• Adad of Assyria
• Adonis, Apollo and Zeus of Greece
• Agni of India
• Alcides/Hercules of Thebes
• Attis of Phrygia
• Baal of Phoenicia
• Bali of Afghanistan33
• Buddha/Beddhu of India, China and Japan
• Deva Tat (Buddha) of Siam34
• Hesus of the Druids
• Horus, Osiris, and Serapis of Egypt35
• Indra of Tibet/India
• Jao/Iao of Nepal
• Krishna of India
• The Mikado of the Shintos
• Mithra of Persia
• Odin of the Scandinavians
• Prometheus of Caucasus/Greece
• Quetzalcoatl of Mexico
• Salivahana of Burma36
• Tammuz of Syria37
• Thor of the Gauls
• Universal Monarch of the Sibyls
• Wittoba of the Bilingonese
• Xamolxis/Zamolxis of Thrace
• Zarathustra/Zoroaster of Persia


They ALL refer to the SUN!
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jun, 2014 01:14 pm
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Mithra, Sun God of Persia
The worship of Mithra precedes the common era by several centuries. In fact, the cult of Mithra was, shortly before the true Christian era, "the most popular and widely spread 'Pagan' religion of the times."95 Indeed, numerous Mithraic monuments have been found stretching from Asia Minor to Great Britain.96
Although Mithraism as it developed in the Roman Empire is different from its Perso-Indian roots, its major motifs and traditions can be traced to a pre-Christian body of knowledge that is largely astrotheological in nature, as demonstrated by Dr. David Ulansey in The Origins of the Mithraic Mysteries.
Mithra has the following in common with the Christ character:
• Mithra was born on December 25th97 of the virgin Anahita.98
• The babe was wrapped in swaddling clothes, placed in a manger99 and attended by shepherds.100
• He was considered a great traveling teacher and master.101
• He had 12 companions or "disciples."102
• He performed miracles.103
• He was buried in a tomb.104
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jun, 2014 01:16 pm
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Krishna of India
In discussing the comparisons between Krishna and Christ, it is claimed either that there are no real parallels or that these "exact counterparts"—as the Catholic Encyclopedia calls them115—rest squarely on the shoulders of the Brahman priesthood, who allegedly copied them from Christianity. Indian and other scholars contend that the story is uninfluenced by Christianity, many averring that any borrowing must have occurred by Christianity from Hinduism. As part of this debate, a common earlier English transliteration of Krishna was "Christna," which reveals its possible relationship to '"Christ."

Krishna shares the following characteristics and motifs in common with Christ:

• Krishna is an incarnation of the sun god Vishnu, who rises or awakens on the winter solstice.116
• Krishna was born in a stable117 of the "virgin"118 Devaki ("Divine One")119
• He was of royal descent and was a prince.120
• Krishna is the "King of the Yadus."121
• Like the cave-born Christ of tradition, Krishna was born in a "cave-like dungeon."122
• Upon birth, the baby Krishna, was placed in a "basket for winnowing corn; in other words, a manger."123
• Great signs and wonders occurred at Krishna's birth,124 including the appearance of a bright star.125
• His birth was attended by angels,126 wise men127 and shepherds,128 and he was presented with gifts, including gold and incense.129
• His foster father was in the city to pay taxes when Krishna was born.130
• The hero-god was persecuted by a tyrant who ordered the slaughter of infants.131
• The infant Krishna was carried across a river.132
• As a young boy, he worked miracles and wonders, and was hailed as a divine incarnation.133
• He was worshipped by shepherds as a god.134
• Krishna was "tempted" in the wilderness by "various fiends," before crushing the serpent's head.135
• He raised a child from the dead136 and healed lepers, the deaf and the blind.137
• Krishna preached faith "in God's love to man and in his mercy and forgiveness of sins arising therefrom."138
• Krishna miraculously fed the multitudes.139
• "He lived poor and he loved the poor,"140 humbly washing the feet of guests.141
• Like Jesus, Krishna continually manifested his divinity and then denied it.142
• He was transfigured in front of his disciples.143
• Krishna was anointed with oil by a woman bearing a jar of ointment.144
• Krishna had a beloved disciple named Arjuna or "Ar-jouan."145
• A fig or banyan tree figures prominently in Krishna's myth,146 as the god is depicted approaching a fig tree, where he "utters a sort of parable."147
• Tradition holds that Krishna died after being shot in the foot while under a (fig) tree, leading to claims he was pinned against the tree by an arrow or "crucified."148
• After his death, he ascended to heaven,149 where he lives on.
• Krishna descended into hell to rescue others.150
• As Vishnu, he is the god "who incarnates himself when sin threatens to take the upper hand in the world, and destroys it."151
• Krishna is "a personal savior, a messianic deliverer who will bring all men and women salvation if only they choose to give Him their devotion."152
• Krishna is called the "Shepherd God,"153 "Lord of the god of gods"154 and "Lord of lords,"155 and was considered the "Redeemer,"156 "Firstborn,"157 "Sin Bearer,"158 "Liberator,"159 and "Universal Word."160
• As Vishnu, he is the second person of the Trinity,161 considered the "Beginning, the Middle and the End,"162 ("Alpha and Omega"), as well as being omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent.
• His disciples shouted the words "Jai Shri Krishna," meaning "Victory to Lord Krishna."163
• A future incarnation of Vishnu is the Kalki avatar, who will arrive riding a white horse and destroy the wicked
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jun, 2014 01:19 pm
et voila!

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The "Disciples" are the Signs of the Zodiac
It is no accident that there are 12 patriarchs and 12 disciples, 12 being the number of the months and astrological signs. Indeed, like the 12 Herculean tasks and the 12 "helpers" of Horus, Jesus's 12 disciples are symbolic for the zodiacal signs and do not depict any literal figures who played out a drama upon the earth circa 30 AD/CE.226 Each of the disciples can be shown to correspond to an earlier deity, folkloric hero, constellation
rosborne979
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jun, 2014 08:11 pm
@Quehoniaomath,
You're better at providing evidence for your arguments against religion than you are for your arguments against science. Exactly the opposite of what you would have to do to convince anyone of anything in either case. Brilliant! Smile
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2014 04:48 am
@rosborne979,
I have lots of arguments against science as well. However, most people don't graps it. You see it is not only about the arguments , but also about the interpretation of the arguments,

so..yes...science still is a (disguised) religion. or if tou want to, a rigid dogmatic belief system, with enormous resistance to change.
Offcourse, it is a control tool. Exactly as religion is/was.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2014 04:58 am
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Quehon said re Jesus: I regard him or it as non-existent as long as there is no proof.

Haha mate you'll be telling us next that other historical figures such as Buddha, Confucius, Socrates, Cleopatra, Plato, Tutankahmen, Julius Caesar, Mohammed etc, didn't exist either..Smile
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2014 05:04 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
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Haha mate you'll be telling us next that other historical figures such as Buddha, Confucius, Socrates, Cleopatra, Plato, Tutankahmen, Julius Caesar, Mohammed etc, didn't exist either


No, and your not fair either. I didn't write that.
However, Buddha indeed also never really lived!
For the rest in the row, yes, I think they have lived.

It is a bit strange now eh? Because I wrote that some didn't really lived , that that for you automaticaly means others also never lived.

It's far from logical what you are doing.

However, I understand, you have a religion to defend.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2014 09:34 am
@Quehoniaomath,
You don't know religious history, do you? Buddha is from Sarnath in India where I have personally visited and have visited the museum where he lived.
 

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