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The School of Belle Knox-Duke Porn Star

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panzade
 
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Reply Wed 16 Apr, 2014 08:32 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
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That’s the problem with a belief system that is predicated upon adherence to superficial slogans.

Hardly pertains to max, finn.

But the website you provided was horrifying; so many well-known porn stars testifying against the industry.
Makes me think the cost of that Duke tuition might be more than Belle Knox can afford by doing porn.
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panzade
 
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Reply Wed 16 Apr, 2014 08:34 pm
@maxdancona,
The life expectancy of 36 years seems suspect.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 17 Apr, 2014 06:47 am
I want to point out that although they are awfully scandalous and dramatic, a website where ex-porn stars rail against porn doesn't prove much. These are individual anecdotes rather than a full picture. This is why I was asking for real credible data, rather than individual emotional stories.

There are similar sites run by Vegans where ex-meat eaters rail against the meat industry. There are sites by ex-Catholics railing against the Catholic Church, and by ex-homosexuals railing against Homosexuality and by ex-Christians railing against Christianity and even ex-Atheists railing against Atheism. All of these sites have the voices of real people who deserve to be heard... but none of them have any real part in a rational, objective debate based on facts.

If you are going to make claims about things like the suicide rate in the Porn industry compared to other industries (I suggest the NFL with good reason), then you need to back them up with real, credible statistics from a respectable unbiased source.

Do you have real credible data to back up the claims you are making?
Krumple
 
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Reply Thu 17 Apr, 2014 06:53 am
@blueveinedthrobber,
blueveinedthrobber wrote:

I am shocked that a thread that starts about pussy ends up talking economics. what is this a bunch of pansies?


How can you be shocked when they are linked. The reason the girl got into porn was to pay for schooling. Economics and porn go hand in hand but people don't want to accept that fact. It is similar for drug dealers. Sure you could go get a minimum wage job and work like a slave or you can sell illegal drugs and make ten times as much with far less work. The incentive for easy money is always tied to how harsh the economy is. Not to mention rates of theft and homicide go up as the economy weakens. Those directly responsible are the political leaders. They should be held accountable but are never.
blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Thu 17 Apr, 2014 12:35 pm
@Krumple,
because I like making dumb jokes. Most people get that.
panzade
 
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Reply Thu 17 Apr, 2014 12:45 pm
@blueveinedthrobber,
I get it.
And I get what K is saying too.
About porn and economics.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 17 Apr, 2014 09:30 pm
@maxdancona,
That "stats" on porn star suicide rates are not easily available isn't proof of anything other than Wikipedia doesn't care to try and provide them.

I notice that you don't object to the claim that drug abuse is rampant in the porn industry, and yet you find it hard to believe that the suicide rate is higher than in conventional society?

Look, I'm not trying to win you over. If you don't believe that the porn industry is a foul cesspool that preys on women, that's up to you, and if you wish to entertain the obscene notion that pornography is an attractive field for entrepreneurial women, so be it.

It's a sad state of affairs when feminist principles are being used to not only validate, but endorse the porn industry.

I am a firm believer in personal freedoms and if someone want to make a self-destructive choice, I believe that's up to them, but I'm not about to suggest that such choices are neutral or, worse, positive. Neither the government nor society should stop them from making such choices, but it's disgusting to celebrate them.

Apparently an aversion to perceived sexual puritanism trumps an aversion to the exploitation of foolish and disturbed young women.





hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 17 Apr, 2014 10:41 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
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I am a firm believer in personal freedoms and if someone want to make a self-destructive choice, I believe that's up to them, but I'm not about to suggest that such choices are neutral or, worse, positive.
I dont see where you have flushed out your argument for why doing porn is bad. Is it that monetizing sexual labor is bad? Is it that acting is bad? Is it that doing porn needs to bad outcomes for reasons that you dont understand (claimed bad outcomes which you have some science to support)?
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 17 Apr, 2014 10:44 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
I am a firm believer in personal freedoms and if someone want to make a self-destructive choice, I believe that's up to them, but I'm not about to suggest that such choices are neutral or, worse, positive.
I dont see where you have flushed out your argument for why doing porn is bad. Is it that monetizing sexual labor is bad? Is it that acting is bad? Is it that doing porn needs to bad outcomes for reasons that you dont understand (claimed bad outcomes which you have some science to support)?


I don't feel compelled to provide statistical evidence as to why porn "is bad." If you think such is required than feel free to dismiss my posts.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 17 Apr, 2014 10:55 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
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I don't feel compelled to provide statistical evidence as to why porn "is bad.


You need an argument. Without it all you have is the statement " I dont like porn".
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 17 Apr, 2014 11:03 pm
@hawkeye10,
I provided the argument, and yet you didn't perceive it. If you insist upon the argument being backed up by iron clad statistics (an oxymoron there) then (once again) feel free to dismiss my argument. This may come as a shock to you but I don't long for the Hawkeye stamp of approval.

It's not all that surprising that the people who tend to support the porn industry whether on the basis of capitalism principles, feminist right to choose, or an aversion to puritanical sexual mores are men.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 17 Apr, 2014 11:07 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
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It's not all that surprising that the people who tend to support the porn industry whether on the basis of capitalism principles, feminist right to choose, or an aversion to puritanical sexual mores are men


You have never heard of the sex positive feminists I take it (and of course by definition all feminists are women).
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 17 Apr, 2014 11:22 pm
@hawkeye10,
First of all not all "feminists" are women, and secondly, I haven't a clue as to what or who "sex positive feminists" are or how they may be relevant to this discussion.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 18 Apr, 2014 05:30 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
That "stats" on porn star suicide rates are not easily available isn't proof of anything other than Wikipedia doesn't care to try and provide them.

I notice that you don't object to the claim that drug abuse is rampant in the porn industry, and yet you find it hard to believe that the suicide rate is higher than in conventional society?


Finn, my only point is that you haven't proven anything. You have a preconceived notion about the porn industry and you have found an extremely biased, non-scientific source to support your existing beliefs.

I haven't proven anything either. But then I haven't made any baseless claims about statistics.

My objection is that you have stated your suspicion about suicide rates as a fact. If you don't have real facts, then state your opinions as opinions.
Krumple
 
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Reply Fri 18 Apr, 2014 05:54 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
Finn, my only point is that you haven't proven anything. You have a preconceived notion about the porn industry and you have found an extremely biased, non-scientific source to support your existing beliefs.

I haven't proven anything either. But then I haven't made any baseless claims about statistics.

My objection is that you have stated your suspicion about suicide rates as a fact. If you don't have real facts, then state your opinions as opinions.



Not to derail your request for him to provide supporting evidence for his claim. But let's just for argument say it is true that suicide rates are high for porn stars. Is this THE ONLY profession where suicide rates are high? No. So should we also outlaw other professions where suicide rates are high? I fail to see what the argument is suppose to suggest anyways even if what he claims to be true.

According to the New Health Guide

Physicians are the most likely to commit suicide. Should we outlaw this profession?

I fail to understand the point in saying porn stars commit suicide. If it is true what is the point or purpose for making the claim? What are you suggesting?
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 23 Apr, 2014 04:25 pm
@maxdancona,
Oh please.

Do you subject your own posts to such rigorous testing?

Hardly.

I'm not out to "prove" anything. If you wish to believe that the pornography industry provides a fertile field for ambitious young women, be my guest.

Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 23 Apr, 2014 04:35 pm
@Krumple,
Who is arguing that any profession should be outlawed?

Besides, do you really think that any of these studies (New Health Guide is but one) even considered the incident rate within the porn industry? How would they? Do you also think that all of the men and women in this industry blithely record their profession, whenever, requested or required as "Porn Star?"

Clearly "Belle Knox" did not self-identify as a Porn Star before she was outed.

The absence of statistical proof doesn't invalidate a premise.

If you or Max can find a study that shows the rate of suicide among Porn Stars is low, then I will have to re-think my assertion.

Let me guess Krumple, you are a male.

roger
 
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Reply Wed 23 Apr, 2014 05:16 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
I don't think she is.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Wed 23 Apr, 2014 06:17 pm
No mention of the porn industry whatsoever
http://www.businessinsider.com/most-suicidal-occupations-2011-10#1-marine-engineers-are-189-times-more-likely-to-commit-suicide-19
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 24 Apr, 2014 01:11 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Yes, I do subject my own posts to such rigorous testing.

If I am going to make a claim, and state it as fact, I expect myself to be able to back it up with statistics. If someone challenges me, and I don't have such data to back up the claim I was making, then I graciously retract my claim. I actually try to avoid having to do this by not making claims that I can't back up with data.

There is a difference between opinion and fact. My objection to what you wrote is that you make a claim, and you stated it as a fact, even though you had nothing to back it up.

If you had stated this as an opinion, I wouldn't have objected.

 

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