Every time I visit their casino, I make it a point. I walk right up to the biggest, meanest SOB that works there and I say "How! We kicked your butt once and we can do it again." then I prceed to give them my allocated amount of money and I leave.
I swear I hear them snickering every time...
I just have difficulty understanding the duplicit nature of the conservative body politic.
On the one hand, they universally backed the effort to impeach President Clinton for lying under oath about an affair -- the law is the law, they would say, and no one is above the law!
Yet, they support their leader, George Bush's scheme to reward American citizenship to millions of undocumented Mexicans in living in this country who have snubbed their noses at our immigration laws and entered the country illegally.
Columbus-
Cortes-
Quote:I claim this stinkin' desert
Bush
as Crazy Horse (or someone like him) said
Quote:Custer died for your sins.
mestizos are dying daily for the sins of manipluative politics. Get a grip folks, there is no national borders for humanity, we all suffer equally under different conditions.
Deecups36 wrote: I, for one, am glad to see you tell the truth.
It's not the truth.
Quote: All the regulars here who are anti-Bush are the very ones criticizing you. But they can't have it both ways.
Yes they can. We can reject both the majority of Bush's policies as well as your ignorant and racist drivel.
Quote:Having grown up in a border state and living today just 160 miles from the Mexican border, I have seen firsthand many of the things you mention in your post.
Indeed, you seem to have experience in spewing racist falsehood.
Quote:Nowhere did infowarrior say that he thinks the undocumented are "undesirables," but that Vicente Fox's government thinks they're undesirables -- learn to read.
Learn to read yourself. None of what he posted was true.
Quote:Haven't any of you multicultural folks ever wondered how an uneducated Mexican peasant is able to get his hands on the $15,000 average fee a coyote charges to get him to the border?
Your stat is a bald lie.
Quote:Vans filled with as many as 20 Mexican peasants arrive at the US/Mexican border every day. Do the math folks, that's $300,000 per vanload.
Adding up false statistics that you can't support means nothing but that you have no qualms with making time to exhibit ignorance publically.
Quote:There have been article after article in the LA Times and the San Diego Union about this topic, and the conclusion is always the same: the Mexican government is footing the bill.
Bullshit. If there is so much evidence then bring it. This is one of the most laughable lies I have seen in recent times.
Deecups36 wrote:I just have difficulty understanding the duplicit nature of the conservative body politic.
On the one hand, they universally backed the effort to impeach President Clinton for lying under oath about an affair -- the law is the law, they would say, and no one is above the law!
Yet, they support their leader, George Bush's scheme to reward American citizenship to millions of undocumented Mexicans in living in this country who have snubbed their noses at our immigration laws and entered the country illegally.
Well Dee, I think we found some common ground. I too think Bush is making a mistake in this. I have no problem with legal immigration. But why this idea that we should reward people for breaking the law. I hate the thought of doing that. The only plus to granting amnesty to illegals is to get the money now being paid to them under the table, paid to them above the table so our fine government has more money that you liberals can spend. :wink:
Oh, one other point I will grant you. This does smack as trying to "buy" the votes of the legal mexican voters. And as I said in another topic, I disagree with any presidential action which seems steered toward his own personal gain (in this case, his re-election).
But I don't think a majority of the illegals are "undesirables" or "criminals" as you put it.
hi Coastal Rat- I think legal immigration is peachy. But what Bush wants to do is make the Mexicans illegally living in the USA a sort of protected class and move them ahead of all the other foreign nationals living here and waiting their turn and going about the process legally.
That's not fair.
Maybe Bush is drawing on his own experiences in the Texas National Guard when he inexplicably was moved from 500th in his flight class to 1st in his flight class, ahead of young men far more qualified then he? :wink:
Deecups36 wrote:hi Coastal Rat- I think legal immigration is peachy. But what Bush wants to do is make the Mexicans illegally living in the USA a sort of protected class and move them ahead of all the other foreign nationals living here and waiting their turn and going about the process legally.
That's not fair.
Maybe Bush is drawing on his own experiences in the Texas National Guard when he inexplicably was moved from 500th in his flight class to 1st in his flight class, ahead of young men far more qualified then he? :wink:
You misunderstood my post Dee. I am actually agreeing with you that I think Bush is wrong to do what he is doing.
Are you sure they are being granted citizenship Deecups? My understanding is they would be issued work permits with the possibility of at some time in the future (years) having opportunity to apply for citizenship.
Actually it was the Democrats this time who most supported the President though some accuse him of wanting the workers and the Latino vote but because the work permits were temporary, he didn't want THEM. A number of Republicans think the illegals should be sent home to get in line to apply for legal work permits. I personally favored that view and thought the President was putting the cart before the horse here.
There is no way however, that I see Mexican nationals as any kind of underclass or undesirables. And I have no problem with people who have been peacefully living and working here for years being issued a work permit.
hi Coastal Rat- That's what I thought. I was just expressing a point of view. Sometimes I can go stream of conscience, typing away and it's not always clear. Like I said a few days ago, I'm no expert on politics, but I am interested in learning as I go.
You seem like such a nice man.
Foxfyre wrote:Are you sure they are being granted citizenship Deecups? My understanding is they would be issued work permits with the possibility of at some time in the future (years) having opportunity to apply for citizenship.
Your understanding is correct and Deecups is incorrect. In fact, many Mexicans view it as a measure to help deny citizenship because the notmalization of the workers will better enable law enforecement to track them.
Why, oh why, would Bush be granting work permits to undocumented Mexican nationals living illegally in the USA when we have 12 miilion American citizens unemployed and another 8 million underemployed?
Sorry, but Deecups doesn't agree.
A few facts, not factoids:
1. Most Illegal immigrants from Mexico are not peasants, but people from urban areas. The average schooling is 9 years.
2. Coyotes don't charge those sums, and people scrimp and save to gather them. (of course, the accusation of a government financing the human traffickers it combats is ridiculous)
3. Illegal immigration from Mexico to the US boomed since 1965; we're talking 4 decades now, well before multiculturalism was even a word.
4. The Bush proposal is obviously, a wink for Latino voters. But, beyond its' electoral intentions, it adresses correctly both the economic and the security issues in the US.
5. The choice Americans have is not between migration and no-migration; the US economy needs migrants and no desert or border patrol is going to stop them from arriving there.
The choice is between legalized or illegal migration.
What do you prefer, 8 million illegal immigrants, of which you do not have data, do not know where they live or what they do, or 8 million legal immigrants, who are there for a definite period of time, must go back to their home countries and can be tracked all the time?
You can, of course, deny this reality, and press for more money and technology to the border patrol. All you will get is that more migrants will die, and more illegal alien will not leave your country, on the fear that it will be harder for them to come back.
I usually don't qoute townhall, but it's an interesting piece. The multiculturalists had better stop here.
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Phyllis Schlafly, townhall.com, Apr. 26
The television news brings us daily graphic reports from Iraq, where valiant Americans are battling danger, death and destruction. So why don't we get coverage about similar dramatic and scary confrontations taking place on the U.S. border?
The compelling truth about the danger and devastation on the U.S. southern border is crying out to be told. Americans need to hear from the likes of Erin Anderson, whose family homesteaded in Cochise County on the Arizona-Mexico border in the late 1880s.
Anderson says these American pioneers can't live on their own property anymore because it is too dangerous. They can't ranch it. They can't sell it.
It is unsafe to go on their own property without a gun, a cell phone and a two-way radio. Their land has been stolen from them by illegal aliens while public officials turn a blind eye.
Cochise County is a major smuggling route for illegal aliens and drugs, where every night thousands cross into Arizona from the northern Mexico state of Sonora. The Border Patrol admits to apprehending one out of five illegals, but many think it's more like one in 10.
The number of illegal aliens apprehended on the southern U.S. border jumped 25 percent in the first three months of 2004 compared to same period in 2003. In Tucson, the increase was 51 percent; in Yuma, it was 60 percent.
The news of President Bush's amnesty proposal spread like wildfire as far south as Brazil. After Border Patrol agents reported that undocumented aliens caught crossing into the United States said the amnesty proposal had prompted them to come, U.S. agents were told not to ask the question anymore.
Anderson says that U.S. landowners watch in horror as their lands, water troughs and tanks and animals are destroyed. The daily trampling of thousands of feet has beaten the ground into a hard pavement on which no grass for cattle will grow.
Places that illegal border crossers use as layover sites, where they rest or wait for the next ride, are littered with mountains of plastic bags, disposable diapers, human waste and litter of all kinds. When indigenous wildlife and cattle eat the plastic and refuse, they die. Consequently, the local residents try to clean up the sites as often as they can.
The large number of discarded medicine wrappers indicates the prevalence of disease among the illegals. It is estimated that 10 percent of all illegals are carriers of Chagas disease, a potentially fatal condition that is widespread in Central America.
Sometimes, the local U.S. citizens who clean up the sites pick up pocket trash: scraps of paper with the name and telephone number of the illegal alien's destination in the United States. This indicates that these border crossings are a well-organized migration.
Other suspicious items picked up by local residents include Muslim prayer rugs and notebooks written in both Arabic and Spanish. These items come from a subcategory called Special Interest Aliens, who are illegals coming from terrorist-sponsoring countries.
The increased crime rate is frightening. Arizona has the highest rate of car theft in the nation, and residents risk home invasion and personal attacks.
The increase in violence is intimidating to U.S. residents. They are afraid to speak out because someone takes note of who they are and where they live, and gives that information to smuggling cartels in Mexico.
People-smuggling by men known as coyotes has piggybacked on the already well-established drug-smuggling networks and infrastructure. It has become the third largest source of income for organized crime. Drug smuggling and human smuggling are now interchangeable.
Smuggling has become a recognized industry in Mexico. The smuggling route is mechanized. Some northern Mexican villages have become known as smuggling-industry towns.
Illegal border crossers fly or take a bus from anywhere in Mexico or Central America to an industry town like Altar in Sonora. They are driven to the Arizona border, walk a few miles across the border, and then are picked up by shuttle buses that take them north to Tucson or Phoenix.
Shuttle buses are common carriers because they are not required to ask for citizenship identification as are the airlines. Often, the coyotes take their passengers to stash houses in Phoenix and then hold them for ransom even though they have already paid their smuggling fee.
People smuggling is so lucrative and pervasive that it is corrupting some U.S. high school students. Teenagers can make thousands of dollars a week by picking up illegal aliens on the road and driving them to the Phoenix airport.
When is the Bush administration going to put troops on our southern border to stop these crimes, and when are the media going to interview Anderson and other Arizonans so the American people can know what is really going on?
2004 Copley News Service
We take seriously the comments re Mexicans and Mexican immigration/migration of a woman who believes this?:
Quote:Many years ago Christian pioneers had to fight savage Indians. Today missionaries of these former cultures are being sent via the public schools to heathenize our children. -- Phyllis Schlafly
Edited to add note: Paul Daughtery, however, is a more credible source and some of the points he raises in his article are worthy of debate.
Deecups36,
Instead of supporting the lies you posted you decide isntead to copy and paste articles?
fbaezer wrote:My brother, a pilot, lives and works in Wichita (eeeek).
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eeeeek is right ! ! !
okbye
I asked the mexican college graduate who is the day manager at the McDonald's if this were all true. She was too busy, though, so i went over to the gas station, where the mexican college graduate who manages that place said he wasn't sure, but i could ask the guy at Krogers. So i went to Krogers and spoke to the mexican college graduate who is the general manager there, but he couldn't enlighten me--he said its been more than 20 years since he came here, and he's an American citizen now, anyway.
So i asked the cute little girl at the Taco Hell drive up window, but she just giggled and asked me (in faultless idiomatic American, i might add) if i wanted any sauce with my tacos.
Here in Ohio, i'd say most folks don't give a tinker's damn.
Goda'might, this thread is great entertainment . . .
heeheeheeheeheeheeheeheehee . . .
Now we've got a cut-and-paste from Phyllis "ERA over my dead body" Schlafly?
Oh no, i think i just laughed so hard i peed my pants . . .
okseeyahbye
But foxfyre, are you not among the legions who frequent the writers of columns found on Townhall.com? I have seen you post links from Townhall.com on this very forum.
Have you had a sudden epiphany back to reasonableness?
