Every time I visit their casino, I make it a point. I walk right up to the biggest, meanest SOB that works there and I say "How! We kicked your butt once and we can do it again." then I prceed to give them my allocated amount of money and I leave.
I swear I hear them snickering every time...
I just have difficulty understanding the duplicit nature of the conservative body politic.
On the one hand, they universally backed the effort to impeach President Clinton for lying under oath about an affair -- the law is the law, they would say, and no one is above the law!
Yet, they support their leader, George Bush's scheme to reward American citizenship to millions of undocumented Mexicans in living in this country who have snubbed their noses at our immigration laws and entered the country illegally.
Columbus-
Cortes-
Quote:I claim this stinkin' desert
Bush
as Crazy Horse (or someone like him) said
Quote:Custer died for your sins.
mestizos are dying daily for the sins of manipluative politics. Get a grip folks, there is no national borders for humanity, we all suffer equally under different conditions.
Deecups36 wrote: I, for one, am glad to see you tell the truth.
It's not the truth.
Quote: All the regulars here who are anti-Bush are the very ones criticizing you. But they can't have it both ways.
Yes they can. We can reject both the majority of Bush's policies as well as your ignorant and racist drivel.
Quote:Having grown up in a border state and living today just 160 miles from the Mexican border, I have seen firsthand many of the things you mention in your post.
Indeed, you seem to have experience in spewing racist falsehood.
Quote:Nowhere did infowarrior say that he thinks the undocumented are "undesirables," but that Vicente Fox's government thinks they're undesirables -- learn to read.
Learn to read yourself. None of what he posted was true.
Quote:Haven't any of you multicultural folks ever wondered how an uneducated Mexican peasant is able to get his hands on the $15,000 average fee a coyote charges to get him to the border?
Your stat is a bald lie.
Quote:Vans filled with as many as 20 Mexican peasants arrive at the US/Mexican border every day. Do the math folks, that's $300,000 per vanload.
Adding up false statistics that you can't support means nothing but that you have no qualms with making time to exhibit ignorance publically.
Quote:There have been article after article in the LA Times and the San Diego Union about this topic, and the conclusion is always the same: the Mexican government is footing the bill.
Bullshit. If there is so much evidence then bring it. This is one of the most laughable lies I have seen in recent times.
Deecups36 wrote:I just have difficulty understanding the duplicit nature of the conservative body politic.
On the one hand, they universally backed the effort to impeach President Clinton for lying under oath about an affair -- the law is the law, they would say, and no one is above the law!
Yet, they support their leader, George Bush's scheme to reward American citizenship to millions of undocumented Mexicans in living in this country who have snubbed their noses at our immigration laws and entered the country illegally.
Well Dee, I think we found some common ground. I too think Bush is making a mistake in this. I have no problem with legal immigration. But why this idea that we should reward people for breaking the law. I hate the thought of doing that. The only plus to granting amnesty to illegals is to get the money now being paid to them under the table, paid to them above the table so our fine government has more money that you liberals can spend. :wink:
Oh, one other point I will grant you. This does smack as trying to "buy" the votes of the legal mexican voters. And as I said in another topic, I disagree with any presidential action which seems steered toward his own personal gain (in this case, his re-election).
But I don't think a majority of the illegals are "undesirables" or "criminals" as you put it.
hi Coastal Rat- I think legal immigration is peachy. But what Bush wants to do is make the Mexicans illegally living in the USA a sort of protected class and move them ahead of all the other foreign nationals living here and waiting their turn and going about the process legally.
That's not fair.
Maybe Bush is drawing on his own experiences in the Texas National Guard when he inexplicably was moved from 500th in his flight class to 1st in his flight class, ahead of young men far more qualified then he? :wink:
Deecups36 wrote:hi Coastal Rat- I think legal immigration is peachy. But what Bush wants to do is make the Mexicans illegally living in the USA a sort of protected class and move them ahead of all the other foreign nationals living here and waiting their turn and going about the process legally.
That's not fair.
Maybe Bush is drawing on his own experiences in the Texas National Guard when he inexplicably was moved from 500th in his flight class to 1st in his flight class, ahead of young men far more qualified then he? :wink:
You misunderstood my post Dee. I am actually agreeing with you that I think Bush is wrong to do what he is doing.
Are you sure they are being granted citizenship Deecups? My understanding is they would be issued work permits with the possibility of at some time in the future (years) having opportunity to apply for citizenship.
Actually it was the Democrats this time who most supported the President though some accuse him of wanting the workers and the Latino vote but because the work permits were temporary, he didn't want THEM. A number of Republicans think the illegals should be sent home to get in line to apply for legal work permits. I personally favored that view and thought the President was putting the cart before the horse here.
There is no way however, that I see Mexican nationals as any kind of underclass or undesirables. And I have no problem with people who have been peacefully living and working here for years being issued a work permit.
hi Coastal Rat- That's what I thought. I was just expressing a point of view. Sometimes I can go stream of conscience, typing away and it's not always clear. Like I said a few days ago, I'm no expert on politics, but I am interested in learning as I go.
You seem like such a nice man.
Foxfyre wrote:Are you sure they are being granted citizenship Deecups? My understanding is they would be issued work permits with the possibility of at some time in the future (years) having opportunity to apply for citizenship.
Your understanding is correct and Deecups is incorrect. In fact, many Mexicans view it as a measure to help deny citizenship because the notmalization of the workers will better enable law enforecement to track them.
Why, oh why, would Bush be granting work permits to undocumented Mexican nationals living illegally in the USA when we have 12 miilion American citizens unemployed and another 8 million underemployed?
Sorry, but Deecups doesn't agree.
A few facts, not factoids:
1. Most Illegal immigrants from Mexico are not peasants, but people from urban areas. The average schooling is 9 years.
2. Coyotes don't charge those sums, and people scrimp and save to gather them. (of course, the accusation of a government financing the human traffickers it combats is ridiculous)
3. Illegal immigration from Mexico to the US boomed since 1965; we're talking 4 decades now, well before multiculturalism was even a word.
4. The Bush proposal is obviously, a wink for Latino voters. But, beyond its' electoral intentions, it adresses correctly both the economic and the security issues in the US.
5. The choice Americans have is not between migration and no-migration; the US economy needs migrants and no desert or border patrol is going to stop them from arriving there.
The choice is between legalized or illegal migration.
What do you prefer, 8 million illegal immigrants, of which you do not have data, do not know where they live or what they do, or 8 million legal immigrants, who are there for a definite period of time, must go back to their home countries and can be tracked all the time?
You can, of course, deny this reality, and press for more money and technology to the border patrol. All you will get is that more migrants will die, and more illegal alien will not leave your country, on the fear that it will be harder for them to come back.
I usually don't qoute townhall, but it's an interesting piece. The multiculturalists had better stop here.
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Phyllis Schlafly, townhall.com, Apr. 26
The television news brings us daily graphic reports from Iraq, where valiant Americans are battling danger, death and destruction. So why don't we get coverage about similar dramatic and scary confrontations taking place on the U.S. border?
The compelling truth about the danger and devastation on the U.S. southern border is crying out to be told. Americans need to hear from the likes of Erin Anderson, whose family homesteaded in Cochise County on the Arizona-Mexico border in the late 1880s.
Anderson says these American pioneers can't live on their own property anymore because it is too dangerous. They can't ranch it. They can't sell it.
It is unsafe to go on their own property without a gun, a cell phone and a two-way radio. Their land has been stolen from them by illegal aliens while public officials turn a blind eye.
Cochise County is a major smuggling route for illegal aliens and drugs, where every night thousands cross into Arizona from the northern Mexico state of Sonora. The Border Patrol admits to apprehending one out of five illegals, but many think it's more like one in 10.
The number of illegal aliens apprehended on the southern U.S. border jumped 25 percent in the first three months of 2004 compared to same period in 2003. In Tucson, the increase was 51 percent; in Yuma, it was 60 percent.
The news of President Bush's amnesty proposal spread like wildfire as far south as Brazil. After Border Patrol agents reported that undocumented aliens caught crossing into the United States said the amnesty proposal had prompted them to come, U.S. agents were told not to ask the question anymore.
Anderson says that U.S. landowners watch in horror as their lands, water troughs and tanks and animals are destroyed. The daily trampling of thousands of feet has beaten the ground into a hard pavement on which no grass for cattle will grow.
Places that illegal border crossers use as layover sites, where they rest or wait for the next ride, are littered with mountains of plastic bags, disposable diapers, human waste and litter of all kinds. When indigenous wildlife and cattle eat the plastic and refuse, they die. Consequently, the local residents try to clean up the sites as often as they can.
The large number of discarded medicine wrappers indicates the prevalence of disease among the illegals. It is estimated that 10 percent of all illegals are carriers of Chagas disease, a potentially fatal condition that is widespread in Central America.
Sometimes, the local U.S. citizens who clean up the sites pick up pocket trash: scraps of paper with the name and telephone number of the illegal alien's destination in the United States. This indicates that these border crossings are a well-organized migration.
Other suspicious items picked up by local residents include Muslim prayer rugs and notebooks written in both Arabic and Spanish. These items come from a subcategory called Special Interest Aliens, who are illegals coming from terrorist-sponsoring countries.
The increased crime rate is frightening. Arizona has the highest rate of car theft in the nation, and residents risk home invasion and personal attacks.
The increase in violence is intimidating to U.S. residents. They are afraid to speak out because someone takes note of who they are and where they live, and gives that information to smuggling cartels in Mexico.
People-smuggling by men known as coyotes has piggybacked on the already well-established drug-smuggling networks and infrastructure. It has become the third largest source of income for organized crime. Drug smuggling and human smuggling are now interchangeable.
Smuggling has become a recognized industry in Mexico. The smuggling route is mechanized. Some northern Mexican villages have become known as smuggling-industry towns.
Illegal border crossers fly or take a bus from anywhere in Mexico or Central America to an industry town like Altar in Sonora. They are driven to the Arizona border, walk a few miles across the border, and then are picked up by shuttle buses that take them north to Tucson or Phoenix.
Shuttle buses are common carriers because they are not required to ask for citizenship identification as are the airlines. Often, the coyotes take their passengers to stash houses in Phoenix and then hold them for ransom even though they have already paid their smuggling fee.
People smuggling is so lucrative and pervasive that it is corrupting some U.S. high school students. Teenagers can make thousands of dollars a week by picking up illegal aliens on the road and driving them to the Phoenix airport.
When is the Bush administration going to put troops on our southern border to stop these crimes, and when are the media going to interview Anderson and other Arizonans so the American people can know what is really going on?
2004 Copley News Service
This is an interesting article as well. While 47 million Americans are uninsured, taxpayers are writing checks for illegals health needs. Most are arriving from Mexico.
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Jon Dougherty, WorldNetDaily.com, Apr. 1, 2004
"Illegal immigration is about much more than fighting terrorism. The fact is, illegal Mexicans are pouring across our borders, and, as a result, American tax-paid services like education and health care are being pushed to the brink of collapse," says columnist Tom DeWeese. "It is an incomprehensible arrogance exercised by both Mexican and American officials who, while promoting illegal immigration, see no problem in letting U.S. taxpayers foot the bill."
One study by Harvard economics professor George J. Borjas shows immigrants to the U.S. continue to use public welfare more than native-born Americans, despite federal immigration laws that prohibit residency for aliens likely to become "a public charge." He also found that six years after a Republican-controlled Congress passed major welfare reform in 1996, the number of people on welfare has only declined slightly and is, indeed, again on the rise.
"I would not be surprised if we saw after a few years that [welfare reform] had very little long-term effect," said Borjas. He found that the number of native households receiving welfare assistance declined from 15.6 percent in 1994 to 13.5 percent in 1998, but grew to 13.7 percent in 2000. At the same time, reliance on welfare by foreigners in the U.S. declined from 23.4 percent to 20 percent in 1998, but rose to 21 percent in 2000, the last year studied.
Borjas believes the results show that immigration reform is needed, especially on a national level.
"If we are concerned about immigrant welfare use, it would probably make sense to select immigrants who don't need welfare in the first place, rather than trying to prevent immigrants from using it after they have already been allowed into the country," he said. "We could do this by selecting immigrants based more on their education levels rather than the current system, which for the most part admits immigrants based on whether they have a relative in the U.S."
As local and state governments fight to find ways to trim services because of, in part, extra immigrant-driven costs, American citizens will continue to suffer because few of the same people seeking the budget cuts want to do much to trim immigration (in a case of bitter irony, states bear most of the costs of illegal immigration while most of the taxes paid by illegals go into the federal treasury). And most of the financial brunt of immigration is borne by the border states. In 1994 in California ?- where in 2003 the state found itself in the red some $25 billion to $35 billion, depending on estimates ?- then-Gov. Pete Wilson said the state spent $2.3 billion in unreimbursed costs to provide federally mandated services to illegal immigrants: $300 million for health care, $1.7 billion for education and $377 million for corrections. That estimate had risen to $3 billion by 2002.
One study co-authored by New Mexico State University government professor Nadia Rubaii-Barrett found that the cost per capita of illegal immigration to residents of New Mexico counties bordering Mexico was $23.45, while in Texas the per capita cost was $12; in Arizona it was $22, and in California it was $19.
"The burden is falling on the poorest counties, which can least afford it. They either have to cut services or raise taxes to cover the costs of what we think is a federal government responsibility," said Rubaii-Barrett.
"The citizens of the four border states pay a disproportionate share of [immigration] costs," wrote U.S. Senator Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., in a Jan. 11, 2002, column to constituents. Quoting columnist and author Michelle Malkin, Kyl said, "while public funds are being used to provide care to illegal aliens, ?'indigent senior citizens ?- American citizens ?- must abide by stricter limits, fewer choices, and rising prices ... under their government health-care coverage.' ... We are a generous people, but more and more my constituents are saying this is unfair." Kyl, along with fellow Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain, says they are working to provide more federal funding to border states to alleviate budget crunches associated with handling illegal immigrants.
"Even though illegal aliens make little use of welfare, from which they are generally barred, the costs of illegal immigration in terms of government expenditures for education, criminal justice and emergency medical care are significant," says a cost analysis published by the Center for Immigration Studies. "The fact that states must bear the cost of federal failure turns illegal immigration, in effect, into one of the largest unfunded federal mandates."
Many public hospitals in the United States, especially in the Southwest, are facing major financial difficulties because of the services that they are rendering to indigent alien patients. Some have closed; others are threatening to do so. By the spring of 2003, lawmakers said 77 hospitals along the border were facing a crisis. In September 2002, the U.S.-Mexico Border Counties Coalition found U.S. border hospitals spent close to $190 million in 2000 to provide health care to illegals. The study calculated the losses at $79 million in California, $74 million in Texas, $31 million in Arizona and $6 million in New Mexico. It also said that emergency-service providers incurred another $13 million in uncompensated costs.
The Federation for American Immigration Reform says that, according to its estimates, illegal aliens soak up $3.7 billion annually in Medicare and Medicaid benefits.
"It's an enormous cost and can be very crippling, especially in border states," says David Ray, a spokesman for the group, of the cost of those benefits. "The federal government is the one that's dropping the ball in allowing poor immigration enforcement to [negatively affect] the state's pocketbooks."
"The simple fact is our border hospitals are struggling to remain in business because they can no longer afford to absorb the cost of providing medical care to undocumented immigrants," says McCain. "As hospitals and emergency rooms close, citizens across the state and the nation will face higher health-care costs and reduced access to care. It is time the federal government took responsibility for this problem, before the crisis worsens."
Kyl sounds the same note: "Unless we act now to reimburse states and local health-care providers for the cost of federally mandated care to illegal immigrants, more hospitals will be forced to cut costs and possibly close their doors."
We take seriously the comments re Mexicans and Mexican immigration/migration of a woman who believes this?:
Quote:Many years ago Christian pioneers had to fight savage Indians. Today missionaries of these former cultures are being sent via the public schools to heathenize our children. -- Phyllis Schlafly
Edited to add note: Paul Daughtery, however, is a more credible source and some of the points he raises in his article are worthy of debate.
Deecups36,
Instead of supporting the lies you posted you decide isntead to copy and paste articles?
fbaezer wrote:My brother, a pilot, lives and works in Wichita (eeeek).
heeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheehee . . .
eeeeek is right ! ! !
okbye
I asked the mexican college graduate who is the day manager at the McDonald's if this were all true. She was too busy, though, so i went over to the gas station, where the mexican college graduate who manages that place said he wasn't sure, but i could ask the guy at Krogers. So i went to Krogers and spoke to the mexican college graduate who is the general manager there, but he couldn't enlighten me--he said its been more than 20 years since he came here, and he's an American citizen now, anyway.
So i asked the cute little girl at the Taco Hell drive up window, but she just giggled and asked me (in faultless idiomatic American, i might add) if i wanted any sauce with my tacos.
Here in Ohio, i'd say most folks don't give a tinker's damn.
Goda'might, this thread is great entertainment . . .
heeheeheeheeheeheeheeheehee . . .
Now we've got a cut-and-paste from Phyllis "ERA over my dead body" Schlafly?
Oh no, i think i just laughed so hard i peed my pants . . .
okseeyahbye
But foxfyre, are you not among the legions who frequent the writers of columns found on Townhall.com? I have seen you post links from Townhall.com on this very forum.
Have you had a sudden epiphany back to reasonableness?
