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Real Benghazi Scandal

 
 
Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2014 12:35 am
Real Benghazi Scandal
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/22/1279400/-Wondering-where-the-real-Benghazi-scandal-is-Look-no-further-than-Darrell-Issa

snip:

There's so much wrong with that it's hard to even argue against it: It's just mountains of bull piled on mountains of bull. It's the kind of story you'd expect from the lawyer of a guy trying to get out of a pinch for auto-theft. But if there's one thing we know about Darrell Issa, it's that he thinks he's the kind of guy who get away with exactly that.



Issa will continue to flog this dead horse, not that it will get the Rethugs anywhere.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2014 12:48 am
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Real Benghazi Scandal
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/22/1279400/-Wondering-where-the-real-Benghazi-scandal-is-Look-no-further-than-Darrell-Issa

snip:

There's so much wrong with that it's hard to even argue against it: It's just mountains of bull piled on mountains of bull. It's the kind of story you'd expect from the lawyer of a guy trying to get out of a pinch for auto-theft. But if there's one thing we know about Darrell Issa, it's that he thinks he's the kind of guy who get away with exactly that.



Issa will continue to flog this dead horse, not that it will get the Rethugs anywhere.

First of all, you say that there is a mountain of problems with the account given at the link, but then, oddly, don't mention any of them specifically. Secondly, if the account at the link isn't the truth, then what is the truth? All you've really done so far is to engage in vague accusations with no details or evidence.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2014 01:13 am
@Brandon9000,
Whatever happened after the marine barracks were blown up in Lebanon? DOD civilians were also killed or badly injured. I don't remember Reagan's administration catching beat from investigative bodies in the House.

Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2014 01:58 am
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

Whatever happened after the marine barracks were blown up in Lebanon? DOD civilians were also killed or badly injured. I don't remember Reagan's administration catching beat from investigative bodies in the House.



Was that a civilian installation that begged for help just before the attack?
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roger
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2014 02:06 am
@glitterbag,
I think the lack of internet at the time has to be part of your answer. News travels faster, and the discussions start on the moment. Also, the timing of Benghazi relative to the election could be a factor.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2014 09:47 am
@Brandon9000,
Where to start? That the GOP stripped at least half the funding the President and State requested for security of overseas diplomatic posts, that the President and Satate were falsely accused of stopping a rescuemission ignoring how many (more than twenty) who were evacuate from the mission, that the four dead were an unusual occurrence when Bush lost many, many more in multiple occurrences of this sort of attack in his administration. Let alone the embassy bombings in Nirobi, El Khobar Tower (Clinton), Beruit (Reagan), etc. Please. MOUNTAINS of bullshit.
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2014 10:33 am
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Where to start? That the GOP stripped at least half the funding the President and State requested for security of overseas diplomatic posts, that the President and Satate were falsely accused of stopping a rescuemission ignoring how many (more than twenty) who were evacuate from the mission, that the four dead were an unusual occurrence when Bush lost many, many more in multiple occurrences of this sort of attack in his administration. Let alone the embassy bombings in Nirobi, El Khobar Tower (Clinton), Beruit (Reagan), etc. Please. MOUNTAINS of bullshit.

Well, here's something for you to dispute. The American diplomatic mission reported that they were in danger and needed protection but they didn't get any. Their fear turned out to be correct and people died.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2014 10:41 am
They don't have Whitewater and sex scandals to hold the president's feet to the fire, so they grab something like this, like a bulldog with a veal chop, and will not let it go, until a Republican once again occupies the White House, be it three, seven or eleven years from now.

Not that it should have happened. It is a disgrace that every president has a similar such happening, but only the Democrat gets sandbagged and water boarded over it.
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2014 10:44 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

...Not that it should have happened. It is a disgrace that every president has a similar such happening, but only the Democrat gets sandbagged and water boarded over it.

Bush has been accused of everything from instigating 9/11 to cheating on his National Guard duty, almost to being responsible for kidnapping the Lindbergh baby.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2014 10:46 am
Keep telling yourself that.
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2014 10:47 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Keep telling yourself that.

Do you want me to prove that Bush was accused of instigating 9/11 and cheating on his National Guard duty?
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2014 10:52 am
@Brandon9000,
He was accused of hundreds of crimes and misdemeanors, many of which he and his admin were guilty. But, the sort of investigations, such as Whitewater and Benghazi, never were employed against him or any other recent Republican.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2014 10:57 am
@Brandon9000,
And that means exactly what? There were three protectors with the diplomat when he died and you ignore the fact that 20+ staffers were evacuated after the initial attack and before any Americans were killed. The four stayed behind. Why don't you bone up on some facts and get back to me.

There's been at least four Congressional investigations and they support me and not you.

It is an unfortunate human trait to look for some kind of moral wrong or legal malfeasance in specific events to incite general public outrage either to benefit someone or to cast aspersion on someone else. Shortly after Republicans won a House majority in the 2010 midterm elections a corrupt Republican, Darrell Issa, promised his only job as chairman of the House Oversight Committee was to have “seven hearings a week, times 40 weeks” investigating the Obama Administration when the 112th Congress began. Issa was desperate to find a scandal to take down President Obama and has investigated everything from the 2009 federal stimulus program to fabricating President Obama’s part in the scandalous Republican government shutdown two months ago.

Issa has wasted taxpayer time and money for three years looking for Obama Administration scandals he subsequently never found, including the tragic deaths of 4 American diplomats in Benghazi Libya on September 11 2012. Issa’s scandalous investigations aside, it was revealed yesterday that an extensive investigation into the attack on the diplomatic outpost that claimed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three diplomats’ lives found no involvement of al-Qaeda or other international terrorists groups whatsoever like Republicans have claimed for over a year. Instead, the attack was precipitated by, as first reported, extremist Christians in the United States.

A lengthy and comprehensive New York Times investigation informed what Republicans are desperate to keep under wraps because it revealed the Benghazi attack was “accelerated in part by anger at a U.S.-made video denigrating Islam.” The report parroted what any American with half-a-mind has known since Republicans began their relentless propaganda campaign that the Obama administration attempted to cover up al-Qaeda’s alleged role in the attack. According to the chairman of the House Intelligent Committee, Republican Mike Rogers, who kept the al-Qaeda meme alive last month on Fox News, “It was very clear to the individuals on the ground that this was an al-Qaeda-led event.”

However, according to the Times, “The only intelligence connecting Al Qaeda to the attack was an intercepted phone call that night from a participant in the first wave of the attack to a friend in another African country who had ties to members of Al Qaeda. But when the friend heard the attacker’s boasts, he sounded astonished and had no prior knowledge of the assault.” The report said militants surveyed the U.S. compound at least 12 hours before the assault started, but “the violence also had spontaneous elements fueled in large part by anger at the (anti-Islam) video that motivated the initial attack.” It is important to note that the video, titled “Innocence of Muslims,” was made by an American and “had also prompted protests for hours the day before at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo.”

The report continued that “Dozens of people (in Benghazi) joined in, some of them provoked by the video and others responding to fast-spreading false rumors that guards inside the American compound had shot Libyan protesters.” According to a suspect who denied participating in the attack, “the video insulting the Prophet Mohammed might well have justified the killing of four Americans.”

Still, Congressional Republicans continue to assert that Stevens and three diplomats died in a carefully planned assault by al-Qaeda because they sought to undermine President Obama’s claim that al-Qaeda was decimated after killing its leadership including Osama bin Laden. Republicans assailed Susan E. Rice for announcing that based on early intelligence reports; the attacks were inspired by “spontaneous street protests that got out of hand as a result of the video denigrating the prophet Mohammed.” Susan Rice was mercilessly condemned by leading Republicans for allegedly lying about the attacks that led her to withdraw her name from consideration as President Obama’s Secretary of State.

For the past year-and-a-half Republicans led a phony search for a Benghazi scandal wasting taxpayer time and money, but why did criminal Issa never investigate the Christian extremists for making, promoting, and releasing the video that clearly fueled the attacks that killed four American diplomats? If the criminal really wanted to get to the bottom of who was responsible for the attacks he would have begun immediate investigations into American Christians and not President Obama.

Issa can hardly claim Christian extremists were innocent in provoking the attacks because American non-profit Media for Christ obtained film permits to shoot the movie in August 2011, and the project was promoted by Morris Sadek by email and on the blog of the National American Coptic Assembly. By early September, the film was dubbed into Arabic and broadcast on September 9 on Al-Nas, an Egyptian television station; at this point it is prescient to reiterate the video “had prompted protests for hours the day before (the Benghazi attack) at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo.” The extremist Christian pastor Terry Jones, known for a Quran-burning controversy that led to riots around the world and endangered American soldiers, knew of the video’s existence prior to the Benghazi attacks and promoted it by announcing his plan to show the 13-minute trailer at his church on September 11, 2012. It is incomprehensible that the video did not incite protestors to attack the diplomatic outpost due to “anger at a U.S.-made video denigrating Islam,” or that extremist Christians are not culpable for the violence in Benghazi.

Law professors and constitutional law experts pointed out the government cannot prosecute the film’s producer(s) for its content because of the First Amendment, but regardless of First Amendment rights, the Obama administration asked YouTube to review whether to continue hosting the video at all under the company’s policies. YouTube said the video fell within guidelines because it is against Islam, not against Muslim people and thus not considered “hate speech.” Ben Wizner of the American Civil Liberties Union said, “It does make us nervous when the government throws its weight behind any requests for censorship.” However, the Supreme Court has ruled that there are circumstances when free speech is not protected and pulling the video before it was exposed in Muslim countries would have saved four Americans’ lives.

A popular metaphor for speech or actions made for the explicit purpose of creating panic that can lead to injury or death, “shouting fire in a crowded theater,” is a paraphrasing Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.’s Supreme Court opinion in the case Schenck v. United States which held the defendant’s speech in opposition to the draft was not protected under the First Amendment. It is true that Darrell Issa is not, and never will be, a member of the High Court, but if he is frantic to get to the bottom of why four American diplomats were killed in Benghazi it is within his purview and duty to investigate the extremist Christians who incited protests and outrage at Americans in Cairo, and Benghazi, as a result of an anti-Islam video that denigrated the faith and its prophet.

Extremist Christians have a right of free speech, but when their “freedom” results in the deaths of, as Republicans continue repeating, “four American heroes,” then they explicitly created panic leading to the diplomats’ deaths. Fundamentalist Christians have expressed every form of hate speech imaginable against gays, immigrants, and particularly Muslims with impunity and it is high time they are brought to account for their actions. However, there is a tendency in America to give anyone thumping a bible and wrapping themselves in the flag a free pass because they are Christians. The current scandal in Washington is that slimy crook Darrell Issa who has had the same information the New York Times reported for over a year and sat on his ass wasting taxpayer time and money pursuing Barack Obama. Republicans owe Susan Rice a humble apology, the American people tens-of-millions of dollars, and have once again exposed themselves as America’s biggest scandal.



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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2014 12:57 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

He was accused of hundreds of crimes and misdemeanors, many of which he and his admin were guilty. But, the sort of investigations, such as Whitewater and Benghazi, never were employed against him or any other recent Republican.

Whitewater was an improper witch hunt, but in Benghazi, an American diplomatic mission begged for protection and was ignored. That is certainly a valid subject for investigation, regardless of the motives of the people who support it.
Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2014 02:17 pm
@Brandon9000,
Brandon9000 wrote:

edgarblythe wrote:

He was accused of hundreds of crimes and misdemeanors, many of which he and his admin were guilty. But, the sort of investigations, such as Whitewater and Benghazi, never were employed against him or any other recent Republican.

Whitewater was an improper witch hunt, but in Benghazi, an American diplomatic mission begged for protection and was ignored. That is certainly a valid subject for investigation, regardless of the motives of the people who support it.


Benghazi has been investigated ad nauseam, and no one laid a hand on the State Dept. or the White House. The Reps cut security funds for the State Dept. before the event, and it is not unusual for requests for increased security to be rejected. Moreover, it is normally the nation where the embassy is located that provides security. People thought our people would be well guarded considering that we were heroes for helping defeat Kadaffi.

:You should put Benghazi in perspective. Reagan stupidly took sides in the Lebanese civil war, favoring the Christians, and the Muslims slaughtered about 250 marines who were packed into a single building. There was no Rep outrage.
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parados
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2014 02:25 pm
@Brandon9000,
Quote:

Well, here's something for you to dispute. The American diplomatic mission reported that they were in danger and needed protection but they didn't get any.


Wow.. talk about living a rich fantasy life. Would you care to point to the documents that show the mission in Benghazi was in danger and asked for help?
parados
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2014 02:26 pm
@Brandon9000,
Brandon9000 wrote:


Bush has been accused of everything from instigating 9/11 to cheating on his National Guard duty, almost to being responsible for kidnapping the Lindbergh baby.

Sure, and how many congressional investigations were held to investigate that?

There will always conspiracy theories. When Congress is the one spending money to promote those conspiracy theories then it is a problem.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2014 03:30 pm
Bottom line, it is an investigation designed to last until a Republican gets in the White House. The outrage was spent many months ago.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2014 04:25 pm
@Brandon9000,
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2014 06:03 pm
Odd that there is no one focusing on the really really simple way to prevent all these events. Keep your American terrorists/diplomats out of other people's countries.
 

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