Real Benghazi Scandal

@parados,

parados wrote:

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It's the fact that concern was expressed about security and help requested but not given.

You mean this request that was turned down?

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Democrats enacted $1.803 billion for embassy security, construction and maintenance for fiscal 2010, when they still controlled the Senate and House. After Republicans took control of the House and picked up six Senate seats, Congress reduced the enacted budget to $1.616 billion in fiscal 2011, and to $1.537 billion for 2012.

The administration requested $1.801 billion for security, construction and maintenance for fiscal 2012; House Republicans countered with a proposal to cut spending to $1.425 billion. The House agreed to increase it to $1.537 billion after negotiations with the Senate.

The administration requested $1.654 billion for the State Department’s Worldwide Security Protection program for fiscal 2012. House Republicans proposed funding the program at $1.557 billion. Congress eventually enacted $1.591 billion after the Senate weighed in.

Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/house/250237-gop-embassy-security-cuts-draw-democrats-scrutiny#ixzz2uL78l7w9
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No, not that one. Requests for more guards towards the end.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

How US Ambassador Chris Stevens May Have Been Linked To Jihadist Rebels In Syria
MICHAEL KELLEY
OCT. 19, 2012, 8:45 AM 80,660 62

The official position is that the U.S. has refused to allow heavy weapons into Syria.
But there's growing evidence that U.S. agents — particularly murdered ambassador Chris Stevens — were at least aware of heavy weapons moving from Libya to jihadist Syrian rebels.
In March 2011 Stevens became the official U.S. liaison to the al-Qaeda-linked Libyan opposition, working directly with Abdelhakim Belhadj of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group — a group that has now disbanded, with some fighters reportedly participating in the attack that took Stevens' life.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn: Yet another absurd argument based on the illogic that is if someone did something wrong in the past it provides a free pass to all who do likewise thereafter.
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Yet we hear it all the time, Finn, to explain away the usa's myriad war crimes, the usa's ongoing terrorism against Cuba and others.

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@Brandon9000,

Actually, towards the end when the threats around the compound was mounting, Stevens turned down offers of more security personnel, preferring to train the local people instead. Also there seemed to have been a failure of communication between various commands and compounds there. AQ was involved, but it was more opportunistic and not planned out very well and they had no part in the planning. Furthermore, the video did have a role in the whole thing.

Benghazi Attack Called Avoidable in Senate Report

I don't know if this hurts Hillary should she decide to run or not. However, it does prove that all those hearings accusing the Obama administration of cover up is just a bunch of typical republican hype.

(it feels a little low to talking of the dead...)

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@revelette2,

Rev: ... Talking of the dead.

Even when they are terrorists, Rev? Y'all do it all the time!

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@Brandon9000,

So you said this...

Brandon9000 wrote:

The American diplomatic mission reported that they were in danger and needed protection but they didn't get any. Their fear turned out to be correct and people died.

and then I said this...

parados wrote:

Wow.. talk about living a rich fantasy life. Would you care to point to the documents that show the mission in Benghazi was in danger and asked for help?

Your response was something unrelated to most of what you said which you justify by saying this:

Brandon9000 wrote:

In which I took the important part to be "asked for help." I then answered:

which completely ignores the location and the danger aspect of your statement. You do lead a rich fantasy life because you decided to pretend you didn't say most of what you said.
1. Benghazi is the mission and the request was for the embassy in Tripoli.
2. The request for the embassy in Tripoli said nothing about danger at the mission in Benghazi.

Because you wanted to completely change the parameters of the help asked for then one could easily blame Congress since the State department requested more money that it was given it by the GOP congress.

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@Brandon9000,

Brandon9000 wrote:

No, not that one. Requests for more guards towards the end.

So you are arguing that more guards in Tripoli which is over 600 miles from Benghazi would have prevented the attack? Can you provide a rationale for that?

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@parados,

P: So you are arguing that more guards in Tripoli which is over 600 miles from Benghazi would have prevented the attack?

I think what Brandon is arguing, P, in his shy way, is that if the USA stopped being totally committed to terrorism in all its foreign realtions these things would never occur.

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@parados,

I'm not too interested in your opinion of what I meant. I said:

Brandon9000 wrote:

The American diplomatic mission reported that they were in danger and needed protection but they didn't get any. Their fear turned out to be correct and people died.

You said:

parados wrote:

Wow.. talk about living a rich fantasy life. Would you care to point to the documents that show the mission in Benghazi was in danger and asked for help?

To me, this was a statement that the American diplomatic mission had not asked for help. I then posted a link, but perhaps this one is more on point:

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887323716304578480700332309438

It reads, in part:

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Yet, an April 19, 2012, State Department cable responding to former Ambassador Gene Cretz's request for additional security in Benghazi bears Mrs. Clinton's signature.

Did you not imply that no such request had been made?

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@JTT,

On an entirely different topic (but since when do you care about staying "on topic," the UN, finally, had the integrity to release their findings on the state of North Korea and (as most of us already knew) the place is a true horror show.

Of course this hell on earth pales in comparison to the US and was, after all, created by the US.

Right?

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@Brandon9000,

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Yet, an April 19, 2012, State Department cable responding to former Ambassador Gene Cretz's request for additional security in Benghazi bears Mrs. Clinton's signature.

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State Department cables, or internal messages, often are sent with the secretary of State's signature. The report did not say whether the cable regarding security was personally signed or drafted by Clinton.

source

Nevertheless, Hillary has accepted responsibility for the lack of security in Benghazi. Mistakes were made but they can learn from them and correct them.

This is not a cover up or a scandal, there was no concentrated effort to cover this up with the talking points, they were going with the information they were given, which turns out to have been mostly correct. The four people who were killed was tragic and could have been avoided by adding more security instead of trying to rely on local people (Which is what Stevens wanted to do), that was a mistake, but not a scandal or a cover up.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

"At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid."

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@revelette2,

As you well know by now, Rev, when you have the dirty dealings that are central to the USA you always have a coverup.

How US Ambassador Chris Stevens May Have Been Linked To Jihadist Rebels In Syria
MICHAEL KELLEY
OCT. 19, 2012, 8:45 AM 80,668 62

AP

The official position is that the U.S. has refused to allow heavy weapons into Syria.
But there's growing evidence that U.S. agents — particularly murdered ambassador Chris Stevens — were at least aware of heavy weapons moving from Libya to jihadist Syrian rebels.

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

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Yet, an April 19, 2012, State Department cable responding to former Ambassador Gene Cretz's request for additional security in Benghazi bears Mrs. Clinton's signature.

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State Department cables, or internal messages, often are sent with the secretary of State's signature. The report did not say whether the cable regarding security was personally signed or drafted by Clinton.

source

Nevertheless, Hillary has accepted responsibility for the lack of security in Benghazi. Mistakes were made but they can learn from them and correct them.

This is not a cover up or a scandal, there was no concentrated effort to cover this up with the talking points, they were going with the information they were given, which turns out to have been mostly correct. The four people who were killed was tragic and could have been avoided by adding more security instead of trying to rely on local people (Which is what Stevens wanted to do), that was a mistake, but not a scandal or a cover up.

Hillary Clinton claimed that the attacks were over an anti-Islamic video. Did she believe it when she said it?

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@Brandon9000,

Brandon: Hillary Clinton claimed that the attacks were over an anti-Islamic video. Did she believe it when she said it?
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Of course not, B. That was just a hot meme. She could have chosen any numbers of other bullshit memes - they hate our freedoms - always a sheeple favorite.

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@Brandon9000,

I'm curious if you have read the cable that was in response to.

Claims made by an opinion piece in the WSJ about a who signed a response turning down more protection in Benghazi that was from a cable that isn't mentioned at all are about 4th hand when it comes to reality.

The cable that was in response to asks for more security forces for Tripoli and asks for "continued support" for the agents in Benghazi. It requests the continued teams through the run up to the June elections. This is April, elections are in June, the attack happens in September. But WTF. Why don't you just rely on an opinion piece in the WSJ for your facts since that gives you the answers you want.

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@Brandon9000,

Brandon9000 wrote:

Hillary Clinton claimed that the attacks were over an anti-Islamic video. Did she believe it when she said it?

And George Bush believed there were WMD in Iraq. Both were told that by the intelligence services. In the case of Iraq there were no WMD. In the case of Benghazi some of those involved with the attack have told reporters it was about the video.

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Months of investigation by The New York Times, centered on extensive interviews with Libyans in Benghazi who had direct knowledge of the attack there and its context, turned up no evidence that Al Qaeda or other international terrorist groups had any role in the assault. The attack was led, instead, by fighters who had benefited directly from NATO’s extensive air power and logistics support during the uprising against Colonel Qaddafi. And contrary to claims by some members of Congress, it was fueled in large part by anger at an American-made video denigrating Islam.

http://www.nytimes.com/projects/2013/benghazi/#/?chapt=0

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@parados,

Most of the people bound and determined to find something to get Obama with just aren't interested in facts. They just keep on repeating the same old things no matter how many times it is debunked.

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@parados,

Parados: And George Bush believed there were WMD in Iraq. Both were told that by the intelligence services.
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I believe that is false.

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@revelette2,

Rev: Most of the people bound and determined to find something to get Obama with just aren't interested in facts. They just keep on repeating the same old things no matter how many times it is debunked.
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Pointing fingers, Rev. The USA as a force for good has been debunked many times. The USA as a major force of evil has been illustrated many times. But "[T]hey just keep on repeating the same old things no matter how many times it is debunked".

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