Real Benghazi Scandal

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Well, here's something for you to dispute. The American diplomatic mission reported that they were in danger and needed protection but they didn't get any.

Wow.. talk about living a rich fantasy life. Would you care to point to the documents that show the mission in Benghazi was in danger and asked for help?

The investigation into the attack on the diplomatic mission and the C.I.A. annex in Benghazi that resulted in the deaths of Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and three other Americans also faulted State Department officials in Washington for ignoring requests from the American Embassy in Tripoli for more guards for the mission and for failing to make sufficient safety upgrades.

The Ambassador did not see a direct threat
of an attack of this nature and scale on the U.S. Mission in the overall negative
trendline of security incidents from spring
to summer 2012. His status as the
leading U.S. government advocate on Libya policy, and his expertise on
Benghazi in particular, caused Washington to give unusual deference to his
judgments.

The Board found that intelligence
provided no immediate, specific tactical
warning of the September 11 attacks.

the Department were well aware of the anniversary of the September
11, 2001 terrorist attacks but at no time were there ever any specific, credible
threats against the mission in Benghazi related to the September 11 anniversary
.

Special Mission Benghazi’s uncertain future after 2012 and its “non-status” as a temporary,
residential facility made allocation of resources for security and
personnel more difficult, and left responsibility to meet security standards to the
working-level in the field, with very limited resources

It appears you aren't aware that Tripoli is over 600 miles from Benghazi.

But lets' actually look at the report.

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The Ambassador did not see a direct threat
of an attack of this nature and scale on the U.S. Mission in the overall negative
trendline of security incidents from spring
to summer 2012. His status as the
leading U.S. government advocate on Libya policy, and his expertise on
Benghazi in particular, caused Washington to give unusual deference to his
judgments.

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The Board found that intelligence
provided no immediate, specific tactical
warning of the September 11 attacks.

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the Department were well aware of the anniversary of the September
11, 2001 terrorist attacks but at no time were there ever any specific, credible
threats against the mission in Benghazi related to the September 11 anniversary
.

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Special Mission Benghazi’s uncertain future after 2012 and its “non-status” as a temporary,
residential facility made allocation of resources for security and
personnel more difficult, and left responsibility to meet security standards to the
working-level in the field, with very limited resources

There is really nothing in the report that says they "were in danger and needed protection."

parados wrote:

There is really nothing in the report that says they "were in danger and needed protection."

Nor did I say that. I said that they asked for it.

Do you think they were in danger now?

Well, here's something for you to dispute. The American diplomatic mission reported that they were in danger and needed protection but they didn't get any. Their fear turned out to be correct and people died.

Brandon9000 wrote:

parados wrote:

There is really nothing in the report that says they "were in danger and needed protection."

Nor did I say that. I said that they asked for it.

Do you think they were in danger now?

You didn't say that? Then I guess I am unclear as to what these words actually are....

Whatever happened after the marine barracks were blown up in Lebanon? DOD civilians were also killed or badly injured. I don't remember Reagan's administration catching beat from investigative bodies in the House.

That the GOP stripped at least half the funding the President and State requested for security of overseas diplomatic posts...

... that the President and Satate were falsely accused of stopping a rescuemission ignoring how many (more than twenty) who were evacuate from the mission,

that the four dead were an unusual occurrence when Bush lost many, many more in multiple occurrences of this sort of attack in his administration. Let alone the embassy bombings in Nirobi, El Khobar Tower (Clinton), Beruit (Reagan), etc. Please. MOUNTAINS of bullshit.

It is pretty clear that Republicans want these deaths to seem more important than the deaths in other, similar attacks, under earlier presidents, but innocent lives lost are equal. This is a politically motivated issue.

It's the fact that concern was expressed about security and help requested but not given.

Democrats enacted $1.803 billion for embassy security, construction and maintenance for fiscal 2010, when they still controlled the Senate and House. After Republicans took control of the House and picked up six Senate seats, Congress reduced the enacted budget to $1.616 billion in fiscal 2011, and to $1.537 billion for 2012.

The administration requested $1.801 billion for security, construction and maintenance for fiscal 2012; House Republicans countered with a proposal to cut spending to $1.425 billion. The House agreed to increase it to $1.537 billion after negotiations with the Senate.

The administration requested $1.654 billion for the State Department’s Worldwide Security Protection program for fiscal 2012. House Republicans proposed funding the program at $1.557 billion. Congress eventually enacted $1.591 billion after the Senate weighed in.

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The report is what you gave as evidence to support your statement. OK.. since you now agree the report doesn't support your statement, do you have any other evidence?

The American diplomatic mission reported that they were in danger and needed protection but they didn't get any. Their fear turned out to be correct and people died.

Wow.. talk about living a rich fantasy life. Would you care to point to the documents that show the mission in Benghazi was in danger and asked for help?

From:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/19/us/politics/inquiry-into-libya-attack-is-sharply-critical-of-state-department.html?_r=0

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The investigation into the attack on the diplomatic mission and the C.I.A. annex in Benghazi that resulted in the deaths of Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and three other Americans also faulted State Department officials in Washington for ignoring requests from the American Embassy in Tripoli for more guards for the mission and for failing to make sufficient safety upgrades.