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Getting Ready For the Fourth Palestinian Rejection

 
 
Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2014 11:32 am
For the fourth time, the Pals will get offers in connection with a settlement of their differences with Israel. For the fourth time, the Pals will just say no, not even making counter offers. The Pals feel they can continue to reject peace because they know that the majority of people will continue to irrationally take their side over Israel. Many of the people on A2K typify this majority.





On the Eve of the Fourth Palestinian "No"

Jonathan S. Tobin, Commentary, February 6, 2014

Secretary of State John Kerry's efforts to orchestrate a peace agreement between Israel and the Palestinians has breathed new life into old arguments about West Bank settlements and the need for Israel to take risks for peace. Kerry's clear advice to the Israelis that they must give the Palestinians what they want or find themselves boycotted and isolated is widely accepted as conventional wisdom by the foreign-policy establishment. The movement to boycott, divest, and sanction (BDS) Israel assumes Israel's foes will ultimately win because in the absence of peace, frustration about failed negotiations will cause the Jewish state to be portrayed as the new South Africa, a crumbling nation that will be brought to its knees by economic warfare.

Israel's enemies have always underestimated its resiliency and this time is no exception. But the problem with many of the discussions about such boycotts is that they invariably ignore some basic facts about the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians. If, in fact, Israel is willing to give up almost all of the West Bank and allow the Palestinians their independence, that renders moot Kerry's condescending advice echoed by his supporters in the media. The majority of Israelis are rightly concerned about the consequences of a West Bank withdrawal and the very real possibility that the Hamas terror state in Gaza will be replicated in any other land that the Jewish state surrenders.

But the key question that those, like Kerry, who are urging the Netanyahu government to do just that is not about the merits of a pact that would make the Jewish state more vulnerable. Rather, it is about what Kerry and his minions will do after the Palestinians once again say, "no." After all, they've already done it three times. And, if news reports are correct, they may be on the verge of a fourth rejection of American-imposed terms in the wake of Israel putting an offer of 90 percent of the West Bank while being compensated for the remaining ten percent with land swaps inside Israel's pre-1967 borders, or other exchanges.

Though most in the news media treat this information as being only slightly more arcane than the details of the Peloponnesian Wars, the fact is, Israel has already offered the Palestinians an independent state in almost all of the West Bank, Gaza, and a share of Jerusalem three times. And three times they refused to say yes to Israel. The first two refusals were straightforward "no's" from Yasir Arafat in 2000 and 2001, who answered Ehud Barak's peace offers with a terrorist war of attrition called the second intifada. The third time, Arafat's successor Mahmoud Abbas was so worried about being forced to say no again that he fled the U.S.-sponsored negotiations with Israel in 2008 as soon as the Israelis made their offer in order to avoid giving an answer at all.

If Abbas finds another reason to avoid accepting a generous deal that would give the Palestinians the independence they claim is their goal, it raises the question of how Israel's critics will justify the BDS campaign that Kerry threatened the Jewish state's punishment if an agreement is not reached. Will they dismiss Israel's offers as insignificant or not worthy of an answer? Or will they claim the difference between 90 percent of the West Bank plus swaps and every inch of the territories that Israel won in a defensive war in 1967 is so significant that it justifies an economic war on the Jewish state, terrorism, or both?

The answer to those questions is yes to all. As was the case after 2000 and each time since then, apologists for the Palestinians will find a way to justify the indefensible and to rationalize the Palestinians' inevitable resort to violence, in addition to international campaign bent on Israel's delegitimization. But for the most part they will do what they have done since 2000 and merely ignore Israel's offers of peace and consider the absence of an agreement as proof of the Jewish state's sole responsibility for the continuation of the conflict.

The first time Israel sought to give the Palestinians the West Bank, Arafat's answer confused the Israeli left-wing that staked its political life on the transaction. The government of Ehud Barak went to Camp David in the summer of 2000 determined to give the Palestinians an offer they couldn't refuse. But when Arafat did refuse it, they hardly knew what to think. At a press event I covered in the fall of 2000, Shlomo Ben Ami, Israel's foreign minister conveyed his shock at the way his effort to satisfy the Palestinian desire for independence had somehow led to yet another bloody conflict. Yet he said there was a silver lining to these tragic events since at least the world would now know which side wanted peace and which had chosen war. More than 13 years later, I still don't know whether to laugh or to cry at his naive faith in international public opinion.

As we now know, rather than undermine the Palestinian narrative of victimization those events only increased international support for their position and criticism of Israel. That was repeated after Israel's withdrawal from Gaza in 2005 when, again, an Israeli effort to make peace was repaid in blood as the evacuated territory was transformed into a launching pad for Hamas rockets aimed at Israeli civilians.

The prime obstacle to peace remains the Palestinian political culture that continues to view Israel's existence as a crime and considers Tel Aviv, let alone the blocs of communities along the old border or in Jerusalem's suburbs, to be as much of an "illegal settlement" as the most remote hilltop holdout of Jewish extremists in the West Bank. In the absence of a change in that culture that will allow Abbas to sign a peace treaty without a "right of return" for the descendants of the 1948 refugees and recognition of the legitimacy of a Jewish state, there is little chance that the Netanyahu government's offer of 90 percent of the West Bank will be accepted. Nor is a slightly more generous formula likely to do the trick. As they did in 2000, 2001, and 2008, the Palestinian leadership seems to be preparing their public for continued conflict rather than for an acceptance of an accord that would force them to give up their dream of Israel's complete annihilation.

Rather than twisting Netanyahu's arm to do what it his country has already tried to accomplish in the past—trade land for the non-credible promise of peace—Israel's critics should be thinking about how they will react to the fourth Palestinian "no." Unfortunately, the odds are that most will barely notice it when it happens and will simply continue blaming Israel. Indeed, that's exactly what the Palestinians—who know that's what happened the first three times they rejected Israeli offers of peace—are counting on.


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coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2014 12:41 pm
@Advocate,
Islam says no. The Palestinians(fake people) are Islamic. The Jews are hated. It is a religious obligation.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2014 02:09 pm

With the way the Europeans torpedoed the Oslo Accords by voting for UN recognition of the Palestinians, I'd say peace talks are about done for good.

And that is for the best. The Palestinians refuse to make peace, and Israel cannot afford to allow a hostile population to occupy the West Bank.

I doubt the Israelis have realized it yet, but they are going to need to bus all the Palestinians out of the West Bank and drop them off in Gaza. That is the only possible way to prevent the Palestinians from murdering so many people.
Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2014 04:56 pm
@oralloy,
I respect your thinking, but I doubt whether Israel would, or even could, bus the Pals from the WB to Gaza. The USA and the rest of the world would go into a tizzy were Israel to try this. It would be wonderful were Israel able to do this.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2014 05:19 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:
I respect your thinking, but I doubt whether Israel would, or even could, bus the Pals from the WB to Gaza. The USA and the rest of the world would go into a tizzy were Israel to try this. It would be wonderful were Israel able to do this.

The first thing that will have to happen is that Israel's government will have to realize that they have no other choice. It may be some years or even decades before that becomes clear to them.

Once the Israeli government comes to realize that they have no other choice, I think they will look for proper timing, either an instance where the world's attention is focused elsewhere, an instance where the Palestinians are misbehaving so badly that the condemnation could not fall on Israel alone, or a combination of both such situations.

Maybe if the Arabs are foolish enough to attempt another 1967/1973 type of war against Israel, the Palestinians could be removed as a wartime security measure or something.

I'm not sure how much the US would protest. At some point even the US government will have to recognize that the Palestinians have no intention of ever agreeing to 1967 borders.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2014 05:30 pm
Israeli offers of peace amount to coercing the Palestinians to accept their permanent oppression in a closed-off, mega-concentration camp completely under the military control of the Zionist state, and the Zionists are indignant that the Palestinians reject these “offers of peace”? Really?

To add to the insult, the Zionists refuse to honor the Palestinians’ Right of Return that is granted to them through various international resolutions, this being done in the name of perpetuating the existence of the Zionists’ necessarily oppressive and discriminatory ethnocentric state of Israel, and they have the gall to complain that some people see the bare-faced hypocrisy in the Zionists’ designs? Seriously?

These peace processes are all a farce of Zionist self-absorption and the powers that enable them.

About the only recourse that the Palestinians have to achieve justice is to reject their claims for a state that will never be independent, and instead demand enfranchisement within the Israeli political system.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2014 05:42 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
permanent oppression in a closed-off, mega-concentration camp completely under the military control of the Zionist state,

That is hardly an accurate or fair description of the offer of 1967 borders.


InfraBlue wrote:
These peace processes are all a farce of Zionist self-absorption and the powers that enable them.

Your rejection of 1967 borders has been noted.

The solution of forcibly transporting all Palestinians to the Gaza Strip is a good alternative.


InfraBlue wrote:
About the only recourse that the Palestinians have to achieve justice is to reject their claims for a state that will never be independent, and instead demand enfranchisement within the Israeli political system.

The Palestinians are never going to be allowed to become Israeli citizens.



EDIT: I do realize that there are some Palestinians who are already Israeli citizens. I think it is understood that we are talking about non-Israeli Palestinians here. But if I don't make a note of it, someone is bound to bring it up, so here's a note of it.
Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2014 08:01 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

Israeli offers of peace amount to coercing the Palestinians to accept their permanent oppression in a closed-off, mega-concentration camp completely under the military control of the Zionist state, and the Zionists are indignant that the Palestinians reject these “offers of peace”? Really?

To add to the insult, the Zionists refuse to honor the Palestinians’ Right of Return that is granted to them through various international resolutions, this being done in the name of perpetuating the existence of the Zionists’ necessarily oppressive and discriminatory ethnocentric state of Israel, and they have the gall to complain that some people see the bare-faced hypocrisy in the Zionists’ designs? Seriously?

These peace processes are all a farce of Zionist self-absorption and the powers that enable them.

About the only recourse that the Palestinians have to achieve justice is to reject their claims for a state that will never be independent, and instead demand enfranchisement within the Israeli political system.


Your post is so dishonest and moronic, one doesn't know where to begin in refuting it. Since nothing reasonable can penetrate your brain, it is silly to waste the time and electricity in mounting a refutation.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2014 09:05 pm
Zionism is simply the desire for a Jewish state. Anything else is propaganda.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2014 09:20 pm
@oralloy,
What with the Zionists' demand that any Palestinian state not have a military, that there be a militarized buffer zone between that country and the Zionist state and a long term military presence in the former, my description of the Zionists' demands are spot on.

I don't reject the 1967 borders per se, I reject the two-state solution farce.

Your forcible deportation of the Palestinians isn't a solution it's a ridiculous joke.

The assertion that the Palestinians will never be allowed to become Israeli citizens is the very reason why the Zionist political apparatus must be dismantled and thrown into the garbage bin of history.

Your correction is duly noted.



InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2014 09:23 pm
@Advocate,
Wow, what a thorough and cogent counterargument.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2014 09:31 pm
Zionism, from its very inception, involved the idea of "returning to Zion" based on Jewish religious mythologies.

The way Zionism is being practiced and executed, it's a necessarily oppressive and discriminatory ideology that places the existence of the state of Israel at the expense of the rights of the Palestinian peoples.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2014 10:35 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Your forcible deportation of the Palestinians isn't a solution it's a ridiculous joke.

The only thing that could have prevented it was Palestinian acceptance of 1967 borders. Now it is only a matter of time before the inevitable happens.

Maybe one day the Palestinians will be allowed to have the Gaza Strip for their state, if they ever decide to stop trying to murder people.


InfraBlue wrote:
The assertion that the Palestinians will never be allowed to become Israeli citizens is the very reason why the Zionist political apparatus must be dismantled and thrown into the garbage bin of history.

There are hundreds of Israeli atomic warheads and thousands of American thermonuclear warheads that say that's not going to happen.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2014 10:40 pm
@InfraBlue,
Answer these questions about Palestine. I'll wait.
http://www.drybonesproject.com/blog/D09524_1.gif
Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2014 11:00 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

Wow, what a thorough and cogent counterargument.


Thanks! It is more than you deserve.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2014 11:09 pm
@coldjoint,
Good questions! Another one is: when did the Pal people come into being? There was no Pal people until fairly recently.

No country wants Pal people for good reason. Kuwait kicked them out when they embraced the invading Iraqis. They are vermin and are worthless cowards.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2014 11:20 pm
Quote:
Arab Apartheid Against Palestinians

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3127/arab-apartheid-against-palestinians


Quote:
The plight of the Palestinian refugees in Lebanon and other Arab countries has received little attention from the mainstream media in the West. Lebanon's apartheid laws deny Palestinians access to the majority of white collar positions in areas such as banking, medicine, management, law and education. Though born and raised in the country, they are denied political, economic and social rights.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 21 Feb, 2014 10:48 am
@coldjoint,
This is merely another tiresome Zionist red-herring to divert attention from the discrimination and oppression that the state of Israel visits upon the Palestinian people which is the crux of the conflict bettween the two.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 21 Feb, 2014 10:58 am
@InfraBlue,
Quote:
This is merely another tiresome Zionist red-herring


No , this is another excuse because you cannot answer the questions.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 21 Feb, 2014 02:39 pm
@coldjoint,
According to you, what purpose would answering the questions serve?
 

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