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Getting Ready For the Fourth Palestinian Rejection

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 12 Mar, 2014 11:24 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Point out exactly where the article states that "the Palestinians and Israelis separated in the Bronze Age."

"Jews and Palestinian Arabs are blood brothers - although this close genetic relationship probably stems from pre-Judaic times, rather than any more recent conversion of Palestinian Jews to Islam."


InfraBlue wrote:
Point out where the article even mentions "Israelites" and "the Iron Age."

The article assumes that everyone already knows that the Israelites were an Iron Age culture.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 13 Mar, 2014 09:43 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
There never was, and still is not a Palestine.


More racist lies from A2K's No 1 bigot.

Quote:
The term Peleset (transliterated from hieroglyphs as P-r-s-t) is found in numerous Egyptian documents referring to a neighboring people or land starting from c.1150 BCE during the Twentieth dynasty of Egypt. The first mention is thought to be in texts of the temple at Medinet Habu, which record a people called the Peleset among the Sea Peoples who invaded Egypt in Ramesses III's reign,[4] followed later by an inscription on Padiiset's Statue. The Assyrians called the same region Palashtu or Pilistu, beginning with Adad-nirari III in the Nimrud Slab in c.800 BCE through to emperor Sargon II, in his Annals approximately a century later.

The first clear use of the term Palestine to refer to the entire area between Phoenicia and Egypt was in 5th century BC Ancient Greece. Herodotus wrote of a 'district of Syria, called Palaistinê" in The Histories, the first historical work clearly defining the region, which included the Judean mountains and the Jordan Rift Valley. and formed part of the 5th Persian satrapy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 13 Mar, 2014 10:08 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
The first clear use of the term Palestine

Quote:
district of Syria, called Palaistinê"


Neither of those call Palestine a country. Now, another bigot slinging loser, can try again.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 13 Mar, 2014 04:34 pm
@oralloy,
You're conflating "Jews" with "Israelis" and here you conflated "Israelites" with "Israelis."

Your understanding of history and ethnicity is as simplistic as Netanahu's worldview.

Tomas Rees' speculation that a close genetic relationship between "Jews" and Palestinian Arabs probably stems from pre-Judaic times, rather than any more recent conversion of Palestinian Jews to Islam is itself simplistic and completely ignores the studies he's reporting on.

To quote his very own report:

"Analysis of elements in mitochondrial DNA (which is passed from mother to daughter) seemed to show that Jewish populations around Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East were derived from at least 8 unrelated 'founding mothers'.

"Where they came from wasn't clear, but the most likely explanation was that they were from local populations that bred with immigrant Jewish males. Their offspring became absorbed into the Jewish community.

"In 2008, a more sophisticated analysis was published that made use of whole mitochondrial DNA sequences. They found no evidence for the genetic bottle necks that indicate founding mothers in the large Jewish populations. Instead, they found a complicated picture with a very diverse gene pool suggesting intermarriage both with local populations and other Jewish groups.

"The overall conclusion is that the female Jewish line deviates a lot more from the Palestinian heritage than the male line, but the heritage is still there."

"Jews" are a mixed people having mostly the genetics of the peoples from the countries from where they originated with some Palestinian genetic admixture, e.g. the Ashkenazim are mostly European peoples, the Maghrebim are mostly North African peoples--Phoenicians (who were themselves descendants of Canaanite peoples), Berbers and others--the Mizrahim make up a large group of "Jews" that are mostly Syrians, Iraqis, Kurds and Persians among others.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 13 Mar, 2014 08:57 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Tomas Rees' speculation that a close genetic relationship between "Jews" and Palestinian Arabs probably stems from pre-Judaic times, rather than any more recent conversion of Palestinian Jews to Islam is itself simplistic and completely ignores the studies he's reporting on.

It is possible to make estimates regarding how long ago two populations diverged by examining the genetic differences between them.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 13 Mar, 2014 09:26 pm
@Advocate,
Where is the information here?

This is pure spin, hasbara probably designed to hide the recent Knesset vote requiring a national referendum to approve land transfer to Pals.

(Getting Ready for the Fourth Israeli Rejection)

Quote:
Israel's parliament toughens referendum-on-peace law
Reuters
March 12, 2014 4:08 PM

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel's parliament on Wednesday toughened a law requiring a public referendum on potential land-for-peace deals involving withdrawals from land annexed by Israel.

The law turns legislation already passed in 2010 into a constitutional amendment that would require an absolute majority of 61 of the Israeli Knesset's 120 lawmakers to rescind.

"When it comes to making any such fateful decision, were such a moment to arrive, we must ask the people," Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said, moments before the amendment passed by a vote of 68 to 0.

Opposition lawmakers from left-wing, Arab and ultra-Orthodox parties boycotted the vote, accusing Netanyahu's government of rushing through a decision they see as controversial.

The law calls for a public vote to be held on any proposed peace deal in cases where the agreement calls for Israel to withdraw from land it has already annexed, such as East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights.

Such a plebiscite could be avoided if at least 80 Israeli lawmakers were to vote in favor of such a deal.

Israel made East Jerusalem a part of its capital after capturing it in a 1967 war, a move never recognized internationally. It annexed the Golan, land it captured from Syria in the same war, in 1981.

http://news.yahoo.com/israels-parliament-toughens-referendum-peace-law-200825852.html
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 14 Mar, 2014 05:48 am
@coldjoint,
There was and is a Palestine. I'm not wasting anymore time trying to convince a bigoted fuckwit to accept the truth. The truth is something you've spent all your life avoiding.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 14 Mar, 2014 08:53 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
Tomas Rees' speculation that a close genetic relationship between "Jews" and Palestinian Arabs probably stems from pre-Judaic times, rather than any more recent conversion of Palestinian Jews to Islam is itself simplistic and completely ignores the studies he's reporting on.

It is possible to make estimates regarding how long ago two populations diverged by examining the genetic differences between them.

Sure, but that isn't what Rees is doing. He's making conjectures ignorant of the studies he's reporting on.
Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Fri 14 Mar, 2014 12:15 pm
@InfraBlue,
Quote:

You're conflating "Jews" with "Israelis" and here you conflated "Israelites" with "Israelis."


Ah, InfaBlue, your entire post is soooo very illuminating; I've been educated by it. Your post also sent me scurrying to google where I found another informative post.

Thank you so much for posting such an instructive message. Below is the link to the article I found:

http://www.dailypaul.com/300647/modern-israel-is-an-artificially-created-state-dominated-by-jews-who-have-no-connections-to-biblical-israel

I am posting this link in its entirety in a separate post.
Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Fri 14 Mar, 2014 12:20 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
http://www.dailypaul.com/300647/modern-israel-is-an-artificially-created-state-dominated-by-jews-who-have-no-connections-to-biblical-israel

Modern Israel is an artificially created state dominated by Jews who have no connections to biblical Israel.

Submitted by go213mph on Fri, 09/27/2013 - 22:39
in Politics, General + Law(s)

The American people are confused about the morality of modern-day Israel, because our schools and churches leave out essential Jewish history.

The European people who were shipped in to occupy Palestine as a Jewish homeland in 1948 are not related to the biblical Hebrews of Jesus’ time.

The biblical Hebrews are symbolized by the Cain and Abel story, brothers who fell out with each other and whose lineage became the two factions we know as Jews and Arabs. But Jews and Arabs are both biologically Semitic people – they are cousins — and despite their “family feud, they are anciently related by blood and culture.

Later on, Jews and Arabs became even more seemingly disparate due to the introduction of Islam. One tribe kept their Judaism, while the other became Muslim, and there is what we’ve perceived as the warring factions of today.

But what has been purposely obscured is a third element that entered and has inflamed the Middle East ever since. It was European Jewish people who were brought in after WWII for the purpose of occupying much of Palestine and resurrecting the ancient name of Israel. This was a political agenda, not a humanitarian intention.

These Europeans had long ago emerged from Khazaria (southern Russia), where their king – for the purpose of greater, unified control – converted them to the Babylonian schools of Judaism in the 8th century. Thus, not only their DNA, but their perspectives are a different reality from the Judean teachings in Jesus’ world.

http://www.zengardner.com/truth-israel-americans-need-know-2/
coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 14 Mar, 2014 02:41 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
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Modern Israel is an artificially created state dominated by Jews who have no connections to biblical Israel.


As Muslims have no connection to Mohammed? My, you are a special kind of stupid aren't you?
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 14 Mar, 2014 03:04 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
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This was a political agenda, not a humanitarian intention.


Another thing Jews are not entitled to? Adolf.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 14 Mar, 2014 10:24 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
oralloy wrote:
It is possible to make estimates regarding how long ago two populations diverged by examining the genetic differences between them.

Sure, but that isn't what Rees is doing. He's making conjectures ignorant of the studies he's reporting on.

I disagree. He has made a reasonable estimate which shows that, while the Palestinians are close cousins of the Israelis and Israelites, the Palestinians are not descended from the Israelites (and the Israelis are).
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 14 Mar, 2014 10:25 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:
Modern Israel is an artificially created state dominated by Jews who have no connections to biblical Israel.

Spare us the Neo-Nazi hate rant.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 14 Mar, 2014 10:29 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Spare us the Neo-Nazi hate rant.


Islamists are the new Nazis.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 16 Mar, 2014 05:35 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
oralloy wrote:
It is possible to make estimates regarding how long ago two populations diverged by examining the genetic differences between them.

Sure, but that isn't what Rees is doing. He's making conjectures ignorant of the studies he's reporting on.

I disagree. He has made a reasonable estimate which shows that, while the Palestinians are close cousins of the Israelis and Israelites, the Palestinians are not descended from the Israelites (and the Israelis are).


Uh-huh.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 16 Mar, 2014 09:32 pm
@oralloy,
Unable to address what you quoted. That's lying right there, O.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 16 Mar, 2014 09:39 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
Unable to address what you quoted.

I addressed it when I denounced it as a Neo-Nazi hate rant.

Perhaps I could have left off the "Neo".


JTT wrote:
That's lying right there, O.

You cannot point out a single untrue thing that I've ever said.
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