King Abdullah: Al Qaeda WMDs Came From Syria

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Lightwizard wrote:

Please cite the other mis-leading or inflammatory titles.

you're kidding, right? Shocked

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Right -- and it shows that monkey see, monkey do. None of those, incidentally, are particularly inflammatory according to the TOS and are opinions that are not leading anyone to anyone to believe it is fact. There is a tendency here on both sides to stoop to the level of tabloid journalism. It would be nice if it were always on a higher level but that doesn't exclude politically incorrect humor.

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Lightwizard wrote:

Right -- and it shows that monkey see, monkey do. None of those, incidentally, are particularly inflammatory according to the TOS and are opinions that are not leading anyone to anyone to believe it is fact. There is a tendency here on both sides to stoop to the level of tabloid journalism. It would be nice if it were always on a higher level but that doesn't exclude politically incorrect humor.

You don't find it particularly odd that you would pick one by a conservative amongst the saturation of titles from the left side?

Besides, as Foxfyre pointed out, there is nothing really all that misleading in the title.

Now, get back to the topic if we can...

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"Al Qaeda WMDs Came From Syria"

They have admitted to being Al Qaeda.

The weapons would have killed many people, causing Mass Destruction.

The trucks came over the border from Syria.

I would like to find out what the chemicals were. It was pointed out elsewhere that Vx nerve gas is transported as two separate "precursor" chemicals, and then mixed together when it's time for people to die. So I suspect that's what it was.

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Tarantuala, you still have yet to post anything that supports your thesis. Have you contemplated a course in basic exposition?

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connected to senior al-Qaeda operative Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who is high up on the US most wanted list in Iraq.

the problem is that no one has yet established that Zarqawi was actually ever in Iraq. Nice try, but again, you fail.

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Tarantulas wrote:

"Al Qaeda WMDs Came From Syria"

They have admitted to being Al Qaeda.

The weapons would have killed many people, causing Mass Destruction.

The trucks came over the border from Syria.

I would like to find out what the chemicals were. It was pointed out elsewhere

Where?

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that Vx nerve gas is transported as two separate "precursor" chemicals, and then mixed together when it's time for people to die. So I suspect that's what it was.

And your evidence is?

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hobitbob wrote:

And your evidence is?

I don't need "evidence" to support a suspicion. This is not a courtroom.

If you have any information to the contrary, by all means trot it out so we can see it in the light of day. Hold up your part of the discussion.

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Tarantulas wrote:

hobitbob wrote:
And your evidence is?

I don't need "evidence" to support a suspicion. This is not a courtroom.

If you have any information to the contrary, by all means trot it out so we can see it in the light of day. Hold up your part of the discussion.

Listen, lovey, my "part of the discussion" has been pointing out where you have jumped to conclusions! I would think that as a sherriff person you would be more familiar with interpereting what people write and say. Like I said, a basic course on expository writing would allow you to understand why the stories you have posted don't support the conclusions you have leapt to.

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Theodore Roosevelt wrote:

It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by the dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions and spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who, at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly; so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat.

THEODORE ROOSEVELT
(Paris Sorbonne,1910)

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"NO credit will be given for poorly researched arguments."
Me...each semester! Very Happy

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Tarantulas wrote:

Theodore Roosevelt wrote:
It is not the critic . . . etc. . . .

Yes, and Roosevelt is also quoted as saying:

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

As quote by The Kansas City Star, May, 1918. (Emphasis added.)

We certainly will differ about what the truth may be--but if you want to play the quote game instead of dealing with the specific criticism which has been leveled at your thesis, don't forget that it is a game which any number can play.

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I don't care about Presidential criticism, and that's not what we were talking about. My point was that merely demanding evidence for your opponent's position, over and over again, does not constitute discussion. There's a certain "give and take" that needs to take place, you know? I post an idea and then you post an idea. Not I post an idea and then you attack my post. And by "you" I don't mean you. Very Happy

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Has anyone seen any followup to this story from a reputable source?

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Lots'o'stuff from Le Monde, Die Welt, FAZ, BBC, etc... Thye all say pretty much the same thing as the stories turantael has posted. None of them may be used to draw the conclusions he has.

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Here's something from the dreaded NewsMax, quoting an intelligence expert. He confirms what I had said earlier about Vx gas.

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Tuesday, Apr. 20, 2004 11:43 PM EDT

Lab Tests Could Link Saddam's Missing WMDs to Jordan Plot

Laboratory tests on the poison gas smuggled from Syria into Jordan by al Qaeda terrorists earlier this month could determine whether their weapons came from Iraq, intelligence expert John Loftus said Monday.

"What they captured was a poison gas that consisted of several chemicals to be mixed together," Loftus told nationally syndicated radio host John Batchelor. "This has to be a poison gas of what they call the G-series; Sarin, Somin, Taubin and VX."

The terrorism expert noted that, "VX is the only kind of nerve gas where the chemicals could be safely mixed together in the field."

On Saturday, Jordanian officials announced that they had seized WMD components from the cars of the al Qaeda terror plotters, which had been intercepted just 75 miles from the Syrian border. Experts said that had the WMD plot succeeded, it could have killed 20,000.

Jordan's King Abdullah confirmed that the al Qaeda vehicles had come from Syria,

Noted Loftus:

"Syria dopes not make VX nerve gas - only Saddam Hussein did. So it looks as if now that Israeli intelligence and British intelligence were right - that Syria did indeed get a hold of Saddam's weapons of mass destruction just before the war."

Loftus said lab tests of the al Qaeda weapons would be key to establishing a link between the WMDs found in Jordan and Saddam's missing stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons.

Link

All that remains is for Jordanian scientists to confirm what chemicals were present, and we will know.

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Foxfyre says

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Looks to me that T's headline says nothing about Iraq's WMDs going to Syria. Now either a remedial reading course or a retraction would be in order here.

Tarantulas headline is just a headline grabber. The real crap comes from within the article. This is an excerpt from NewsMax. The underlined statements are the most critical. It is place in its original order.

"King Abdullah: Al-Qaida WMDs Came From Syria"

King Abdullah said that trucks containing 17.5 tons of explosives had come from Syria, though he took pains not to implicate Syrian President Bashir Assad in the al-Qaida plot, saying, "I'm completely confident that Bashir did not know about it."

In his testimony before Congress last year, weapons inspector Kay said U.S. satellite surveillance showed substantial vehicular traffic going from Iraq to Syria just prior to the U.S. attack on March 19, 2003.

While Kay said investigators couldn't be sure the cargo contained weapons of mass destruction, one of his top advisers described the evidence as "unquestionable."

"People below the Saddam-Hussein-and-his-sons level saw what was coming and decided the best thing to do was to destroy and disperse," said James Clapper in comments reported by the New York Times on Oct. 29. Clapper heads the National Imagery and Mapping Agency.

Israeli intelligence has long believed that after the U.S. delayed invasion plans to allow U.N. weapons inspectors time to search for Iraq's WMDs, Saddam moved the banned weapons to Syria, the only other country ruled by the Ba'ath Party.

On April 1, Jordanian officials announced the arrest of several terrorist suspects, saying they were still hunting for two cars filled with explosives.

Five days later, the State Department revealed that the attackers were linked to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian-based terrorist considered to be one of al-Qaida's most dangerous. One of Zarqawi's targets was the U.S. Embassy in Amman.
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Saddam moved the banned weapons to Syria, the only other country ruled by the Ba'ath Party

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People below the Saddam-Hussein-and-his-sons level saw what was coming and decided the best thing to do was to destroy and disperse

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substantial vehicular traffic going from Iraq to Syria

It is clear what NewsMax is insinuating. It is tying in the Jordanian incident with the UNSUBSTANTIATED belief that Iraq's WMDs went to Syria and then from Syria to Jordan.

The title is merely the head of a larger snake. In my opinion, this insidious tactic is a way for them to further convince the public that Syria is another "axis of evil" that needs America's "freedom". If Bush gets reelected, you can expect an American invasion force in Syria in the next 4 years. I'm very worried about the soldiers and their families in this whole misleading mess.

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fairandbalanced writes:

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The title is merely the head of a larger snake. In my opinion, this insidious tactic is a way for them to further convince the public that Syria is another "axis of evil" that needs America's "freedom". If Bush gets reelected, you can expect an American invasion force in Syria in the next 4 years. I'm very worried about the soldiers and their families in this whole misleading mess.

I think the overwhelming body of evidence in Tarantulas' posts and elsewhere is that Syria is culpable in furnishing aid, comfort, and arms to the insurgents and militant radicals in Iraq. So is Iran. Is this activity supported by the Syrian and Iranian governments? That remains to be seen. If it is, should we just look the other way and ignore it? Or what do you propose as the best way to handle it? What do you do about heads of the snake?

And is there any compelling evidence that the WMD's were destroyed or never existed? Even Richard Kay acknowledges he concluded the weapons were destroyed but had no evidence of that--he did find plenty of evidence where WMD had been or could be manufactured. Is there any compelling evidence that they were not moved someplace else? Is there any evidence that shipments of 'something' to Syria did not occur? Do we know for sure that WMD went to Syria? No we don't. But given the current news coming out of the Middle East, it sure doesn't stretch the imagination to think it is possible.

Fair and balanced means looking at all sides of an issue and being willing to at least consider plausible possibilities. This is what this thread has been doing.

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