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King Abdullah: Al Qaeda WMDs Came From Syria

 
 
Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2004 10:27 pm
Hmm...Syria, Ba'ath Party, missing WMD, what a total surprise, eh?

Jordan's King Abdullah II, asserting that Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda terrorist network is "still very, very effective," said Friday that his security services had foiled a plot to blow up major government buildings and perhaps the U.S. Embassy in Amman.

In a wide-ranging interview with The Chronicle's editorial board, Abdullah, who is Washington's closest ally among Arab leaders, gave a bleak assessment of the fight against terrorism and the situation in neighboring Iraq, where he said civil war was "a possibility."

He admitted being blindsided by President Bush's strong embrace of Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon on Wednesday, embodied by Bush's decision to back Israeli annexation of some land in the West Bank.

In a sign that Jordan may not totally escape the bloody convulsions now ripping through Iraq, Abdullah revealed that the arrest of two suspected terrorists two weeks ago had exposed plans to mount one of the most deadly terrorist attacks ever in the Arab world.

The monarch said his security services had followed the trail of the suspects and captured five trucks packed with 17.5 tons of high explosives, which apparently were intended for an attack on the Jordanian prime minister's office and the intelligence ministry.

"It was a major, major operation," Abdullah said. "It would have decapitated the government."

Casualties would have been "in the thousands," he added. "It couldn't have been more sinister."

Abdullah said European anti-terrorism experts were aiding the Jordanian police investigation, but details were still sketchy -- including a solid identification of the type of explosive the suspects were carrying.

He said that although the trucks had come from Syria, "I'm completely confident that Bashir did not know about it," he said, referring to Syrian President Bashir Assad, whom U.S. officials have accused of allowing terrorist groups to use his country's territory.

Abdullah's comments amplified a little-noticed announcement issued two weeks ago. On April 1, Jordanian officials said they had arrested several terrorist suspects and were hunting for two cars laden with explosives. Five days later, the State Department said the attackers were linked to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian terrorist believed linked to al Qaeda, and intended to attack the U.S. embassy in Amman.

On Friday, Abdullah noted that the State Department had publicly said the embassy was a target in the plot, but he said Jordanian investigators had not been able to confirm this.

The incident in Jordan is significant because of Abdullah's low-key yet crucial role as the most pro-American leader in the Arab world -- a role that puts him in a tight bind, squeezed between Washington's desires and the sentiments of his country's population. Jordan is heavily dependent on U.S. aid, yet 60 percent of its population is Palestinian, and anti-American attitudes are widespread.

Asked for an assessment of al Qaeda's strength after three years of intense U.S. pursuit, Abdullah said quickly that it had increased.

But when a Chronicle editor reminded him that Bush had said that al Qaeda had been badly damaged, the monarch backed off. "The organization has been very badly hurt, but ... that doesn't mean it can't hurt you, as we saw in Madrid," he said, referring to the terrorist attacks in Spain last month. "They're still very, very effective."

Abdullah declined to comment directly about Bush's apparently dramatic shift in policy toward Israel -- throwing U.S. support behind Israel's decision to leave some Jewish settlements in the West Bank in place and agreeing that Palestinian refugees cannot be allowed to return to their homes in Israel, which they left during the country's 1948 war of independence.

Abdullah said he had not been forewarned by Bush, an omission that would be widely considered a significant diplomatic snub to a major U.S. partner.

"There were discussions beforehand with members of the administration, but what came out in Washington was different," he said. "We really are at a loss for information. ... Washington has taken us a bit by surprise.

"Honestly, we don't know what the implications are."

Abdullah will have an opportunity for clarification next Wednesday, when he is scheduled to meet with Bush in Washington.

Jordan has had full diplomatic relations with Israel ever since Abdullah's late father, King Hussein, signed a peace treaty with the country in 1994.

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panzade
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2004 10:55 pm
Dude! Is that your headline? Cause I didn't see any references to WMDs in the article.
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Deecups36
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2004 11:02 pm
The Jordanian leader will read the script given him in order to keep receiving American tax dollars.

As the article says, Jordan's entire economy is thanks to US handouts.

Phewy.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2004 11:29 pm
He is being deliberately imflammatory, which sould not surprise anyone. This has been reported by the Beeb, AJ, LeMonde, etc..., and none of them draw the conclusions he is drawing. Thera is only one source that attempts to tie the weapons through Syria to Hussein, and that's NEWSMAX. That should probably tell you somehting about Tarantula's gullibility and honesty, and the gullibility and honesty of many on the far right. There is a tendency to make things up if they help their agenda.
To be fair, the far left does the same thing, consider the crap that spews from Commondreams. Both organizations have been caught by me and others on this forum "editing" their stories.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 18 Apr, 2004 01:10 am
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The monarch said his security services had followed the trail of the suspects and captured five trucks packed with 17.5 tons of high explosives, which apparently were intended for an attack on the Jordanian prime minister's office and the intelligence ministry.


Glad, you found the WMD finally!
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Tarantulas
 
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Reply Sun 18 Apr, 2004 11:59 am
hobitbob wrote:
That should probably tell you somehting about Tarantula's gullibility and honesty, and the gullibility and honesty of many on the far right. There is a tendency to make things up if they help their agenda.

Confirmed by the BBC

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'Deadly gas'

An official involved in the inquiry in Jordan told AFP news agency: "We found primary materials to make a chemical bomb which, if it had exploded, would have made nearly 20,000 deaths ... in an area of one square kilometre.

"The target of this bomb was the headquarters of the Intelligence Services," situated on a hill in the western suburb of Amman, he added.

The official said another operation planned by the network was to use "deadly gas against the US embassy and the prime minister's office in Amman ... and other public buildings in Jordan".

Razz
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panzade
 
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Reply Sun 18 Apr, 2004 12:06 pm
Tarantulas, I repeat, your link said nothing about WMD's so your headline is phony and has no connection to your link. Frankly I'm disappointed in you as you seem to be editing for the sake of stimulation. It's totally against A2K etiquette and I'll look at your future posts(edited) topics with a more jaded eye.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sun 18 Apr, 2004 12:07 pm
I have read to BBC article. Tell me where it, or your blurb, say that it came from Iraq via Syria. Critical reading skills are a plus, and you would do well to develop them.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 18 Apr, 2004 12:11 pm
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Confirmed by the BBC


Yes, old auntie BBC, confirming the conservative news here Shocked

As others already said above ........... :wink:
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Tarantulas
 
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Reply Sun 18 Apr, 2004 06:32 pm
panzade wrote:
Tarantulas, I repeat, your link said nothing about WMD's so your headline is phony and has no connection to your link. Frankly I'm disappointed in you as you seem to be editing for the sake of stimulation. It's totally against A2K etiquette and I'll look at your future posts(edited) topics with a more jaded eye.

The headline came from NewsMax and the story came from the San Francisco Chronicle. 20,000 deaths is "mass destruction" so I stand by my headline.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sun 18 Apr, 2004 06:41 pm
Tarantulas wrote:
panzade wrote:
Tarantulas, I repeat, your link said nothing about WMD's so your headline is phony and has no connection to your link. Frankly I'm disappointed in you as you seem to be editing for the sake of stimulation. It's totally against A2K etiquette and I'll look at your future posts(edited) topics with a more jaded eye.

The headline came from NewsMax and the story came from the San Francisco Chronicle. 20,000 deaths is "mass destruction" so I stand by my headline.

Thank you for continuing the tradition of "conservative integrity." Laughing
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rmunn
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 01:36 pm
Here's the the SF Chronicle story. It mentions the 17.5 tons of high explosive as coming from Syria, but says nothing about chemical weapons.

Then there's this story on Wired (source: Reuters) that says that the Jordanian security sources had stopped "a deadly chemical attack that could have caused thousands of civilian casualties." This report does not go into details about where the chemicals were obtained; the only mention of Syria is near the bottom: "[Jordanian security sources] said cars carrying explosives had been driven into Jordan from Syria."

This AP report talks about an "Al-Qaida-linked terrorist cell" and clearly states that the planned attacks involved chemical weapons. The link to Syria in that story: "Jordanian officials say the arrests occurred after suspected militants entered Jordan from neighboring Syria in at least three vehicles filled with explosives, detonators and raw material to be used in bomb-making. Syrian officials have denied the claims."

Conclusions: Jordan foiled a really nasty plot. That plot involved chemical weapons of an unknown nature. Some of the materials involved in that plot came from Syria.

Whether the materials that came from Syria were chemical weapons or not -- that conclusion can't be drawn from the sources I've been able to find. What is "raw material to be used in bomb-making" from that AP report, anyway? "Explosives, detonators and raw material" -- I wish they'd be a little more clear. If "raw material" isn't explosives, then what is it? Metal to build pipe bombs from? It could be chemicals designed to be spread by the bomb, but they didn't say that.

So depending on your prejudices, you can either say, "See, this is a smoking gun! Obviously Saddam's chemical weapons were shipped off to Syria, and now terrorists are trying to use them! Bush was right, and if we'd attacked even sooner, we would have been able to prevent those weapons from leaving the country!" Or you can say, "You're just deluding yourself, those chemical weapons didn't come from Saddam. He didn't have any!"

The theory that some of Saddam's chemical WMD's were shipped off to Syria certainly isn't being hurt by these reports, though.
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El-Diablo
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 01:40 pm
Welcome to a2k rmunn.

Good post as it clears up alot of the questions that have been asked and appears to have been done in a fair unbiased way.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 02:07 pm
http://www.washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040416-062023-2375r.htm

Al-Qaida planned chemical attack in Jordan


BEIRUT, Lebanon, April 16 (UPI) -- Al-Qaida planned to attack Jordan's intelligence headquarters in Amman with chemical weapons and the U.S. embassy with poisonous gas, reports said.

The Saudi daily al-Hayat, monitored in Beirut, Friday quoted official Jordanian sources as saying al-Qaida operative Abu Misaab al-Zirqawi, a Jordanian, sought to destroy the intelligence building with "a highly-destructive" chemical bomb that would have killed as many as 20,000 people.

The sources said Jordanian security arrested two al-Qaida members connected to al-Zirqawi and confiscated a car laden with explosives and arms which was smuggled into Jordan through the Syrian border.

The car, intercepted some 120 kilometers (75 miles) from the Syrian border, carried explosives, a chemical bomb and poisonous gas.

The sources said the terrorists planned to use the gas in attacks against the U.S. embassy in Amman and the seat of the Jordanian government.

Al-Zirqawi, who is wanted by Washington and the Jordanian authorities, is believed to be operating in Iraq.

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I'd be interested to know what the chemical weapons were, exactly, and where they originated. Does Syria have chemcal weapons labs now?
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fairandbalanced
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 03:53 pm
Hi Hobitbob and panzade, Smile

Well, you guys are absolutely correct. Tarantula has the insane habit of posting misleading news articles. Tarantula also has the habit of posting news articles, editing them and omitting certain parts of that article to bolster his or her opinion. I checked the real article about the so called WMDs from Syria at the SFGate website and it did not mention WMDs at all. In the SFGate article it said that Jordanian security services had followed a "trail of the suspects and captured five trucks packed with 17.5 tons of high explosives, which apparently were intended for an attack on the Jordanian prime minister's office and the intelligence ministry." The SFGate article did not mention nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons at all. Those "high explosives" mentioned could be TNT, nitroglycerin, or RDX. All these "high explosives" are commonly used by the military of many countries. They can be used for blasting, mining, road building and excavating by mining engineers and industry experts. Obviously, the 17.5 tons of "high explosives" seized were intended to bomb the government buildings in Jordan but these are not the same explosives that weapons inspectors regularly look for. They regularly look for explosives with nuclear compositions and damaging effects like the ones that can penetrate the earth to destroy underground targets or even destroy a city with one blast. Weapons inspectors and national security agencies regularly look for WMDs that produce RADIOACTIVE PARTICLE CLOUDS and intense local FALLOUT. They look for biological weapons such as anthrax or ricin. The "high explosives" seized in Jordan cannot be classified in that same category. Ricin, botulism, anthrax, mustard gas, sarin gas, plutonium, uranium, hydrogen bombs, cobalt bombs, or even dirty bombs (which can spread nuclear particles and fallout) were NOT MENTIONED in the SFGate article at all.
SFGate.com Article Cited by Tarantula

Tarantula has implied that these "high explosives" are the same WMDs everyone has been talking about. NewsMax.com

Tarantula says
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The headline came from NewsMax and the story came from the San Francisco Chronicle. 20,000 deaths is "mass destruction" so I stand by my headline.


Tarantula uses the NewsMax article, which is a disreputable website, as the basis for his or her opinion. NewsMax likes to use reputable news sources like the San Francisco Chronicle or the BBC and INJECT THEIR OWN TWISTED CONCLUSIONS WITH THAT. NewsMax does this to bring some legitimacy to their republican opinions and agenda. The NewsMax article says "Jordan's King Abdullah revealed on Saturday that vehicles reportedly containing chemical weapons and poison gas that were part of a deadly al-Qaida bomb plot came from Syria". Actually, King Abdullah did no such thing. It was some unnamed officials in Jordan that said "the suspects have confessed to plotting to detonate a chemical bomb on the Amman HQ of the Intelligence Services." Then NewsMax jumps to the San Francisco Chronicle's quote "It was a major, major operation. It would have decapitated the government" This quote was indeed said by King Abdullah referring to the "high explosives" seized in Jordan and NOT ABOUT THE ALLEGED CHEMICAL BOMB. Okay, I found a reference about the chemical bomb in the reputable BBC News site. The BBC reported that an official involved in the inquiry in Jordan said "We found primary materials to make a chemical bomb which, if it had exploded, would have made nearly 20,000 deaths ... in an area of one square kilometre." That is about 5/8 of a mile. The 20,000 deaths would have been caused IF THE PRIMARY MATERIALS FOUND WERE MADE INTO A BOMB. Now that primary material is rumored to be powdered osmium like the ones found in the bomb plot in Britain early this month. Details about the alleged chemical material reported as of April 18, 2004 is still sketchy. Osmium is a heavy metal element found native as an alloy in platinum ores and nickel-bearing ores. It is extremely dense and brittle even at high temperatures. When osmium powder is exposed to air, it reacts and forms the gas osmium tetroxide. Osmium tetroxide is a toxic gas with a strong smell. IT IS FATAL IN CONFINED SPACES like within a building. It can also cause lung congestion and skin or eye damage. According to Alastair Hay, PROFESSOR OF ENVIRONMENTAL TOXICOLOGY at Leeds University, osmium tetroxide did not fit the profile of a typical chemical warfare or dirty bomb agent. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE OBTAINED FROM A SPECIALIST CHEMICAL SUPPLIER. Professor Hay told the BBC that osmium is "like a heavy metal LIKE LEAD, in the environment. I don't think it would be a major hazard and clean up would not be a major problem." Because of the toxicity of osmium tetroxide, osmium is rarely used in its pure state. Instead it is mixed with other metals to form alloys used in phonograph needles, instrument pivots, and the tips of ballpoint pens. Osmium mixed alloys are even used in surgical implants such as pacemakers and replacement pulmonary valves.
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panzade
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 04:39 pm
Well Fair....you hatched just in time.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 04:51 pm
Meanwhile 400 police raid a kebab shop in Upper Brooke Street Manchester. Terrorists threaten to break into Old Trafford and spread salmonella, botulism and other deadly bio germs during the Utd Liverpool match. Probably Toffees.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 05:21 pm
Good grief. Seems to me a member can title his post anything he wants. Tarantula's thread title was no more inflammatory or misleading than many we see in the forum. The content of the story seems to have legs. Seems to me you guys would be trying to discredit the story instead of beating up on T.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 05:34 pm
The "story" was discredited the moment Taratulas posted it. He drew a false conclusion. The gullible here believed it. Big surprise.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 06:28 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Good grief. Seems to be a member can title his post anything he wants. Tarantula's thread title was no more inflammatory or misleading than many we see in the forum. The content of the story seems to have legs. Seems to me you guys would be trying to discredit the story instead of beating up on T.


Hog poop. Ought I to start a thread on Barbara Bush and title it "Houston's Lesbian Cocaine Queen"? Readers anywhere anytime should jump on deceit and intellectual carelessness with hobnail boots.
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