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Raul Castro calls for civilized relations. So do I long time.

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 23 Dec, 2013 07:35 pm
@fbaezer,
What is true is that the majority of Americans want normalized relations with Cuba; trade, diplomatic, and travel.

Canadians are allowed to buy property in Cuba today. Many Canadians travel to Cuba for holiday, because it's nice and hot during Canada's winter months, it's fairly economical, and Cuba is a great destination for beaches, food, drink, music, their history, old American cars - some in mint condition, and their famous cigars.

What's not to like about Cuba?
ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 23 Dec, 2013 07:47 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Thank you, C.I.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 23 Dec, 2013 07:59 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

...What's not to like about Cuba?

The fascist dictatorship thing. People have the right to vote for their leaders and to speak their opinions freely.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Mon 23 Dec, 2013 08:12 pm
@Brandon9000,
How do you know anything about the "fascist dictator" in Cuba? Have you ever visited there? What's your source for information? Do you know people in Cuba who are suffering under Raul? Who are they?

The people of Cuba who are younger than 50 years old; how are they responsible for Cuba's politics?

How about the people of China and Russia? Are they suffering the same fascism?

Please tell us where you get your information?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 23 Dec, 2013 08:17 pm
@cicerone imposter,
From the Department of Commerce.
Quote:

Welfare Statistics
Total number of Americans on welfare 12,800,000
Total number of Americans on food stamps 46,700,000
Total number of Americans on unemployment insurance 5,600,000
Percent of the US population on welfare 4.1 %
Total government spending on welfare annually (not including food stamps or unemployment) $131.9 billion
Welfare Demographics
Percent of recipients who are white 38.8 %
Percent of recipients who are black 39.8 %
Percent of recipients who are Hispanic 15.7 %
Percent of recipients who are Asian 2.4 %
Percent of recipients who are Other 3.3 %
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 23 Dec, 2013 08:19 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

How do you know anything about the "fascist dictator" in Cuba? Have you ever visited there? What's your source for information? Do you know people in Cuba who are suffering under Raul? Who are they?

The people of Cuba who are younger than 50 years old; how are they responsible for Cuba's politics?

How about the people of China and Russia? Are they suffering the same fascism?

Please tell us where you get your information?

Anyplace - Wikipedia, for example. It's common knowledge that they don't elect their leaders and that they have many political prisoners in jail. Are you denying it? At most, you'd make me Google a couple of links.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 23 Dec, 2013 08:24 pm
@Brandon9000,
We trade with China, Russia, and Vietnam. Do they have freedoms of a democracy?

I don't deny anything; I go by the sentiments of the majority of Americans who believe we should lift the embargo against Cuba, normalize political relations, and open up travel between the two countries. ALL OTHER COUNTRIES TRADE, TRAVEL, AND HAVE CONSULATES IN CUBA.

This is also from Wiki.
Quote:
UN Human Rights Council Election: China, Russia Get More Votes than UK, France
November 12, 2013 - 5:53 PM
By Patrick Goodenough

Human Rights Council election 2013
Voting takes place in the General Assembly on Tuesday, November 12, 2013, to elect 14 members of Human Rights Council. (UN Photo/Evan Schneider)

(CNSNews.com) – Cuba’s election onto the U.N. Human Rights Council on Tuesday saw it receive more votes than two challengers in the Latin America group – both democracies – while China, Russia and Vietnam all received more votes than Britain and France.

The vote in the General Assembly was by secret ballot.

According to the U.N., the HRC is “responsible for strengthening the promotion and protection of human rights around the globe and for addressing situations of human rights violations and make recommendations on them.”

“This is a black day for human rights,” said Hillel Neuer, executive director of U.N. Watch, a Geneva-based non-governmental human rights group.

“Despite the much-vaunted 2006 reform – which scrapped the discredited Human Rights Commission and created a new and supposedly improved council – today’s election of the world’s worst human rights abusers means that we are back to square one. Instead of reform, we have regression.”

- See more at: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/un-human-rights-council-election-china-russia-get-more-votes-uk#sthash.VEeBdmOz.dpuf
ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 23 Dec, 2013 08:26 pm
@fbaezer,
Thanks, FB.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 23 Dec, 2013 08:35 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

We trade with China, Russia, and Vietnam. Do they have freedoms of a democracy?

Russia does, sort of. Anyway, since my first post in this thread, I have consistently said that I don't oppose normalization of trade, so why are you trying to convince me?
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 23 Dec, 2013 08:41 pm
We only sort of have democracy here, these days.
panzade
 
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Reply Mon 23 Dec, 2013 08:42 pm
Jeezusss Christ! You guys can't get along even when you agree with each other.
Just pathetic.
Sorry osso
ossobuco
 
  1  
Reply Mon 23 Dec, 2013 08:55 pm
@panzade,
Laughing, but it's true, and sucks up pages and bores me. Not against individuals - for example, I see Brandon's points - but this stuff kills fleas and eats pages.

Anyone read more on any administration take? I'm remiss, as I'm somehow not in the mood yet (the 49ers are playing, apparently poorly).
Brandon9000
 
  1  
Reply Mon 23 Dec, 2013 08:58 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:

Laughing, but it's true, and sucks up pages and bores me. Not against individuals - for example, I see Brandon's points - but this stuff kills fleas and eats pages.

Anyone read more on any administration take? I'm remiss, as I'm somehow not in the mood yet (the 49ers are playing, apparently poorly).

Isn't killing fleas good?
Brandon9000
 
  1  
Reply Mon 23 Dec, 2013 09:00 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

We only sort of have democracy here, these days.

Yes, they try to interpret the people's rights and the restraints on government more and more narrowly, but I already said that in your thread.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 23 Dec, 2013 09:10 pm
@Brandon9000,
Well, yeah, I won't argue that.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 23 Dec, 2013 09:59 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
. . . What's not to like about Cuba?
Communist slavery!
It tells us something about u
that u NEED to have that question answered for u. Its a shame.
Presumably, u felt the same way about the 3rd Reich and the Japanese Empire; pro-authoritarian.





David
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 23 Dec, 2013 10:00 pm
@Brandon9000,
It's because you wrote on this very page,
Quote:
The fascist dictatorship thing. People have the right to vote for their leaders and to speak their opinions freely.


All people DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE FOR THEIR LEADERS. Loas, China, and Vietnam are socialist countries that our country trades with.

Cuba is the only country we don't have open trade with. So your problem about fascism doesn't hold water.
Brandon9000
 
  1  
Reply Mon 23 Dec, 2013 10:26 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

It's because you wrote on this very page,
Quote:
The fascist dictatorship thing. People have the right to vote for their leaders and to speak their opinions freely.


All people DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE FOR THEIR LEADERS. Loas, China, and Vietnam are socialist countries that our country trades with.

Cuba is the only country we don't have open trade with. So your problem about fascism doesn't hold water.

I was answering your question, "What's not to like about Cuba?" The fascist dictatorship thing is the part I don't like. For the last time, I don't oppose normalization of trade. Are you trying to argue me into my own positions now?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 23 Dec, 2013 10:28 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

It's because you wrote on this very page,
Quote:
The fascist dictatorship thing.
People have the right to vote for their leaders and to speak their opinions freely.


All people DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE FOR THEIR LEADERS.
Loas [sic], China, and Vietnam are socialist countries that our country trades with.

Cuba is the only country we don't have open trade with.
So your problem about fascism doesn't hold water.
People have the natural right to elect their leaders
or to have no leaders, but abhorrent socialist bullies VIOLATE that right.
We shud not support that socialist abuse.





David
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 23 Dec, 2013 10:43 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Tell that to the governments of Laos, Vietnam, and China. I have nothing to do with their politics.
 

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