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@WBYeats,

See,

http://able2know.org/topic/237166-1#post-5600063

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Re: JTT (Post 5598337)
Thank you~ Which one should I say in a news report?

-(THE) Temperature(s) in Tokyo has/have gone down.

Without more context, singular (has) use the. Plural (have) no the, with a caveat - CONTEXT! If the discussion has made the plural specific then the.

-I listen to (the) BBC News, so I know a lot about BBC English.

What about "(the /no the) BBC type of English"?

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@JTT,

It was crazy gun nut group that used the term "undocumented firearm".

FROM,

http://able2know.org/topic/236949-1#post-5600391
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the or no the between was and crazy, WB? Explain why.

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@JTT,

-I listen to (the) BBC News, so I know a lot about BBC English.

What about "(the /no the) BBC type of English"?

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Do you mean THE is optional?

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-Spanish/Chinese/English/Japanese language is difficult to learn.

Can I use it without THE for 'national adjective+ LANGUAGE' to mean in general language, including dialects, in that particular region is difficult to learn?

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If we say

-the history of Ireland, or
-Irish history, without THE here,

then do I need THE?:

-After handing in the assignment, students can view (the) submission history?

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We say:

-the International Phonetic Alphabet

Is THE omitable?

if not, according to the principle that the MassaXXXX Institute of Technology is known as MIT, not THE MIT, can we in a complete sentence simply say

-IPA, not THE IPA?

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@WBYeats,

It's a difficult topic. Follow custom and practice. When in doubt, put it in, especially in formal text. In informal text, it's usually absent.

Note, you can say:
I went to MIT
I went to Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
(you don't need "the")

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@WBYeats,

Quote:

-Spanish/Chinese/English/Japanese language is difficult to learn.

Can I use it without THE for 'national adjective+ LANGUAGE' to mean in general language, including dialects, in that particular region is difficult to learn?

No, because they aren't general. The adjective makes each specific.

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@WBYeats,

Quote:

If we say

-the history of Ireland, or
-Irish history, without THE here,

then do I need THE?:

-After handing in the assignment, students can view (the) submission history?

There's not enough context to determine for sure but it sounds like you need THE. "the assignment" has made it specific. However, there could be the/a situation where the two things are not specific to each other.

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@WBYeats,

There's no connection between alphabet and MIT. The alphabet, the English alphabet, the Japanese syllabary - you use THE.

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@JTT,

Thank you~

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@WBYeats,

-Here we are talking about modern standard English, not (the) English used by all native English speakers.

Do I need THE?

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@WBYeats,

Ask yourself, WB, is the noun that you are asking about general or specific?

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@JTT,

um...that's why I can't decide...because I don't know whether native speakers consider it as general/specific.

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@WBYeats,

Is ENGLISH described/made specific?

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@JTT,

um...It is described, but it does not mean THE is always required:

-Eastern Japan was severely hit by typhoons.

EASTERN is descriptive, but never THE.

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@WBYeats,

Those are easily remembered/memorized idioms, WB.

Eastern Japan was severely hit by typhoons.

What of,

Eastern part of Japan was hit by typhoons. ?

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@WBYeats,

I think "the" creates some emphasis. It's not just any ol' station, it's the station. But now that I am thinking about it, there are very few sentences where I wouldn't use an article before "station". She waited for him at the station. He was at a different station. Same for "park" and "stadium". I'm not sure you learned the correct thing...

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@Mika Anna,

1. Your first language UK/US?

2. I meant station with a place name before it:

-of (the) Great Northern railway station
-of (the) Charing Cross station

Native speakers of UK & US don't use THE; am I correct?

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@WBYeats,

Yes, sorry for the misunderstanding.
1. English is my native language.
2. I would go to Pioneer Station, not the Pioneer Station.

To get back to the original question, then, I looked up Birlstone Station, and it doesn't exist. So my guess would be that the author was referring to a station of a particular place and not an actual station. Like, I would go to Pioneer Station, but I would go to the Seattle station. There isn't a station called Seattle station, so I add the "the". I hope that helps!

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