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Any Decent Republicans Out There?

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 27 Sep, 2013 10:56 pm
@RABEL222,
There were pictures. He used it against his own people.
Remember his cousin, Chemical Ali ?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sat 28 Sep, 2013 12:28 am
@eurocelticyankee,
eurocelticyankee wrote:
Yeah yeah sure, I answered your question, my answer may not suit you.

Well, not you didn't. You said the Security Council voted against the war, and I asked you to identify the Resolution where they did that. You didn't do that, did you?

You decided to dance around and switched to arguing that it must be illegal because Kofi Annan and some leftist legal eagles said it was illegal, which is an entirely different thing.

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I'm entitled to my opinion as much as you, no?.
I'm entitled to my take on the subject as much as you.

Of course you are. And when your opinion leads you to spew falsehoods on these fora, I'm entitled to call you on your bullshit, no?

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At least I had the courtesy to answer.

But not the courtesy to admit you were wrong.

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Where as you've ignored every other point.

What "every other point" are you talking about?

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Which is a good thing really because I don't want to interact with you anymore.

So take your ball and go home.

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You know the old saying; if you cant stand the.......

I certainly do. And I understand it's getting a little hot for you and you need to take a little break.
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sat 28 Sep, 2013 12:37 am
@jcboy,
jcboy wrote:
I was born and raised in Orange County California, they called it behind the Orange Curtain, upper class people and the majority were Republicans. The republicans were different there, they were educated. My father use to tell me people are the same where ever you go but I’ve learned that’s not the case. The Republicans in the south are a lot less educated then your average Republican., it’s like night and day.

Good to see you posting, M.

I'm not exactly sure what your point is, but it's good to see you posting nevertheless.
eurocelticyankee
 
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Reply Sat 28 Sep, 2013 01:13 am
@Ticomaya,
Tico wrote
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I certainly do. And I understand it's getting a little hot for you and you need to take a little break.



No, I meant if you cant stand the smell, get out of the toilet and you're rotten.

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eurocelticyankee
 
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Reply Sat 28 Sep, 2013 01:34 am
@jcboy,
Tip o' the hat to JC, who wrote.
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The Republicans in the south are a lot less educated then your average Republican., it’s like night and day.



Stop frightening me Jc.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 28 Sep, 2013 02:34 am
@Ticomaya,
Ticomaya wrote:
jcboy wrote:
I was born and raised in Orange County California, they called it behind the Orange Curtain, upper class people and the majority were Republicans. The republicans were different there, they were educated. My father use to tell me people are the same where ever you go but I’ve learned that’s not the case. The Republicans in the south are a lot less educated then your average Republican., it’s like night and day.

Good to see you posting, M.

I'm not exactly sure what your point is, but it's good to see you posting nevertheless.
Agreed; it IS good to see u posting, Morgan,
but I 'm a Republican, I 've spent a few years in school and I 'm in Florida.





David
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 28 Sep, 2013 09:53 am
@Ticomaya,
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I'm not exactly sure what your point is, but it's good to see you posting nevertheless.


Yeah right, Tico. It's lies, diversion or outright stupidity from you.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 28 Sep, 2013 09:55 am
@OmSigDAVID,
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but I 'm a Republican, I 've spent a few years in school and I 'm in Florida.


North, south, east or west, Om, your ignorance knows no bounds.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 28 Sep, 2013 09:58 am
Where did that old "academic", Farmerman, the guy who says he's so interested in the truth get to?
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 28 Sep, 2013 11:13 am
@eurocelticyankee,
Have you noticed, ECY, that no "decent" Democrats have shown up?

I wonder why Setanta didn't take on Tico.
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Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Sat 28 Sep, 2013 12:15 pm
@eurocelticyankee,
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Is being an arrogant overbearing asshole all part of the Republican ethos?, or is it just you?.


If I can jump in here, Euro, there are quite a few of these obnoxiously oppressive Republicans who consists of the Tea Party and its supporters and the underlying sentiment is meanspiritedness and self-centerness.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 28 Sep, 2013 04:35 pm
Well, dang it, my Republican friends, including a few on this board, are smart brainies in general. Some are my relatives, and, yep, they're from and still live in or near Orange County, CA, though before it got all so rich, and are definitely well educated. A couple of Rfriends are married to my liberal women friends I've known forever, but don't live in Orange County. Two I'm thinking of are hella smart.
What is probably happening is that we get where each other are coming from and don't need to get into horrendo arguments about all that every day.

I say this as a cranky woman whose parents were one Taft type Republican mother (don't ask me to define that) who was extremely observantly religious (kept taking me to novenas to pray for help), who pretty much stopped reading after high school, circa 1918, and a liberal/left father, who was ever so mildly religious in observation, trained in philosophy, whose thinking was able to move around as he got new facts.

No wonder I'm the way I am.

Anyway, my mother was decent.

I'm as angry about stuff going down as euroc/y is but I may see things as muy complicato.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 28 Sep, 2013 04:51 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:

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Is being an arrogant overbearing asshole all part of the Republican ethos?, or is it just you?.


If I can jump in here, Euro, there are quite a few of these obnoxiously oppressive Republicans who consists of the Tea Party and its supporters and the underlying sentiment is meanspiritedness and self-centerness.
The central concept is to weaken and enfeeble the jurisdiction of government,
thereby to increase the freedom of the Individual.
That is the reason that I support the Founders and that I support the Tea Party.
It is support of laissez faire capitalism or as close to it as we can get.





David
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sun 29 Sep, 2013 01:40 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

There was no evidence that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction. Hans Blix said that their inspections had found no evidence of weapons of mass destruction nor of programs to produce weapons of mass destruction. That you would have invaded Iraq does not surprise me, nor does it dismay me. I've already long ago realized that you are motivated by emotive propaganda, and not facts.

From the Wikipedia article on Hans Blox:
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Blix's statements about the Iraq WMD program came to contradict the claims of the George W. Bush administration, and attracted a great deal of criticism from supporters of the invasion of Iraq. In an interview on BBC 1 on 8 February 2004, Dr. Blix accused the US and British governments of dramatising the threat of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, in order to strengthen the case for the 2003 war against the regime of Saddam Hussein. Ultimately, no stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction were ever found.

In an interview with London's The Guardian newspaper, Hans Blix said, "I have my detractors in Washington. There are bastards who spread things around, of course, who planted nasty things in the media".


The question wasn't whether Iraq had WMD programs. The question was whether they still had them and had merely taken them underground. In the early 1970s, Saddam Hussein ordered the creation of a clandestine nuclear weapons program. Iraq's WMD programs were assisted by a wide variety of firms and governments in the 1970s and 1980s. In 1988, Iraq stated that it formally decided to build nuclear weapons. Under the 1988 plan, Iraq intended to have its first weapon by the summer of 1991. German centrifuge experts from the company H&H Metallform, came to Baghdad in 1988 and sold the Iraqis old designs for centrifuges. Five other German firms supplied equipment to manufacture botulin toxin and mycotoxin for germ warfare.

Iraq finally signed a treaty agreeing to eliminate such programs and to allow inspectors free access to verify that they had been destroyed. The US and the United Nations tried for years to ascertain that they had been destroyed, but Iraq was uncooperative. The United Nations said that Iraq was in material breach of its agreement and warned them over and over that they must comply. It is completely obvious that, given these facts, there was a realistic chance that Iraq had taken its WMD programs underground rather then eliminating them.

Someone like Saddam Hussein, a former assassin, a dictator who had invaded his neighbors and gassed his own people simply could not be permitted to have weapons so powerful that one use of one could kill hundreds of thousands. Had he obtained nuclear or biological weapons, the world would have paid a terrible price. In addition to using such weapons on his neighbors, he could have smuggled the pieces of such weapons into America and annihilated major population centers. Even a moderate chance of this was unacceptable.

After years and years of patient efforts to verify that the weapons programs were gone and years and years of warnings, president Bush finally invaded to ascertain to a certainty whether the weapons programs still existed. It was exactly the right thing to do.
Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 29 Sep, 2013 03:09 am
@Brandon9000,
Apart from being a tissue of fantasies, what you allege (and much of it is not at all factual) does not constitute justification for an invasion. You completely sidestep the issue of the lies told by the administration (whether or not Bush knew them to be lies) in order to justify the invasion. The world was then and still is full of murderous, tinpot dictators. The Bush administration was, apparently, only concerned about the dictator of the nation with the world's second largest reserves of light, sweet crude oil.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 29 Sep, 2013 08:26 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
Apart from being a tissue of fantasies, what you allege (and much of it is not at all factual) does not constitute justification for an invasion. You completely sidestep the issue of the lies told by the administration (whether or not Bush knew them to be lies)
Lies r acts of intentional deception.




Setanta wrote:
order to justify the invasion. The world was then and still is full of murderous, tinpot dictators.
The Bush administration was, apparently, only concerned about the dictator of the nation
with the world's second largest reserves of light, sweet crude oil.
How much of that oil did W take??
If it had been up to me,
then we 'd have taken a lot of it as reparations.

The answer to my question is: not even a teaspoon.

I fervently supported the war.
I was mad at W for taking so long to get the show on the road.
In the meantime, Saddam got rid of his military gas, like drug dealers
when thay see the DEA running up the walk approaching the front door.

I knew that Saddam was a homicidal maniac with a grudge against us,
for Kuwait. I knew that there were half-starving Russian scientists
with access to nuclear materials. I thought Saddam 'd work out a deal
with them to nuke an American port city (like, maybe, mine [at the time] ).





David
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 29 Sep, 2013 06:13 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:

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Is being an arrogant overbearing asshole all part of the Republican ethos?, or is it just you?.


If I can jump in here, Euro, there are quite a few of these obnoxiously oppressive Republicans who consists of the Tea Party and its supporters and the underlying sentiment is meanspiritedness and self-centerness.


Well, that was elucidating. Sure glad you jumped in to make things more clear.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 30 Sep, 2013 12:16 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Someone lied about the yellow cake uranium story, i was simply being scrupulous in not blaming Bush when he may have been blameless in that matter. When Joseph Wilson publicly debunked the yellow cake story, Cheney sent his hatchetman, Lewis "Scooter" Libby out to "get" Wilson for that, and he revealed to the journalist Robert Novak that Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, was an employee of Central Intelligence. LIbby was later convicted of perjury, obstruction of justice and making false statements. He was sentenced, and Bush commuted the prison sentence to which he was sentenced (it's nice to be a white boy with powerful friends)--the other penalties stood. He was also disbarred. Yes, someone practiced intentional deception, and more than once. I was simply giving Bush the benefit of the doubt--even though he erroneously stated that British intelligence had learned that Iraq was attempting to obtain uranium in defiance of the UN mandate. British intelligence was never involved in the yellow cake story, and the yellow cake story was BS--something a lot of people in the administration, and certainly in Central Intelligence, knew before Bush made his state of the union address.

I didn't say that Bush personally profited--the great lawyer trots out a straw man. The principle direct beneficiary was Halliburton, of which Cheney was formerly the CEO. I don't doubt for a moment that you are indifferent to the thousands of American lives needlessly lost, and the at least tens of thousands (if not actually hundreds of thousands) of Iraqi lives needlessly lost in that disgusting military adventurism. You've shown time and again that you're selfish, callous and always poorly informed.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Mon 30 Sep, 2013 09:35 am
@Setanta,
Good luck with trying to convince the great lawyer of these facts. But I bet he dismisses them out of hand.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 30 Sep, 2013 11:15 am
@RABEL222,
U lose the bet.





David
 

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