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Any Decent Republicans Out There?

 
 
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 11:18 am
@CoastalRat,
Quote:
I too must not be a "decent" republican for I have no intention of calling for Bush's impeachment.


How about an indictment, CoastalRat? You certainly are fully aware of his myriad war crimes and terrorist actions.
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eurocelticyankee
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 11:28 am
@CoastalRat,
Okay okay, I'm sure you're all decent people almost most of the time almostly, please let me rephrase it.
Is there any Republicans out there bothered enough to at least denounce what Cheney & co did.
If you're not and you're just too busy getting on with life to be arsed about it. So be it. I can half understand that.
If you agree with what they did, that I don't understand and good luck with your conscience.


Less of the flashing and more of the chocolates and flowers and the wife might get indecent herself.


My wife buys me chocolates and flowers all the time and it works for her.



OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 11:39 am
@eurocelticyankee,
eurocelticyankee wrote:

" . . . for launching an illegal war . . . "
I 'm trying to figure out
by WHAT REASONING a war can be "illegal", Yankee ???

Can u help us out with that ?

Is there a statute against war ?
IF so, which one ?
Will u quote its operative language for us, please ?

I remain skeptical that there is any law against war.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 11:48 am
@eurocelticyankee,
eurocelticyankee wrote:
Okay okay, I'm sure you're all decent people almost most of the time almostly, please let me rephrase it.
Is there any Republicans out there bothered enough to at least denounce what Cheney & co did.
If you're not and you're just too busy getting on with life to be arsed about it. So be it. I can half understand that.
If you agree with what they did, that I don't understand and good luck with your conscience.
I wish that Cheney had actually been in charge.
Let the Record indicate that my conscience
requires me to fully support VP Cheney 's filosofy
now and that it did so then.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 11:54 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
So they stampeded the gullible among the voting population, too.
The gullible r as much entitled to vote as anyone else.
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 11:55 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
I 'm trying to figure out
by WHAT REASONING a war can be "illegal", Yankee ???


If you weren't one of the typical cowards, you would have already been brought up to speed, Sig.

I have always wondered how a guy who was supposedly a lawyer could be so dumb. Then along came Tico.

Quote:
By Marjorie Cohn
Afghanistan: The Other Illegal War

The U.S. invasion of Afghanistan was every bit as illegal as the invasion of Iraq. Why, then, do so many Americans see it as justifiable?

...

The U.N. Charter provides that all member states must settle their international disputes by peaceful means, and no nation can use military force except in self-defense or when authorized by the Security Council. After the 9/11 attacks, the council passed two resolutions, neither of which authorized the use of military force in Afghanistan. Resolutions 1368 and 1373 condemned the Sept. 11 attacks and ordered the freezing of assets; the criminalizing of terrorist activity; the prevention of the commission of and support for terrorist attacks; and the taking of necessary steps to prevent the commission of terrorist activity, including the sharing of information. In addition, it urged ratification and enforcement of the international conventions against terrorism.

The invasion of Afghanistan was not legitimate self-defense under article 51 of the charter because the attacks on Sept. 11 were criminal attacks, not "armed attacks" by another country. Afghanistan did not attack the United States. In fact, 15 of the 19 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. Furthermore, there was not an imminent threat of an armed attack on the United States after Sept. 11, or Bush would not have waited three weeks before initiating his October 2001 bombing campaign. The necessity for self-defense must be "instant, overwhelming, leaving no choice of means, and no moment for deliberation." This classic principle of self-defense in international law has been affirmed by the Nuremberg Tribunal and the U.N. General Assembly.

Bush's justification for attacking Afghanistan was that it was harboring Osama bin Laden and training terrorists. Iranians could have made the same argument to attack the United States after they overthrew the vicious Shah Reza Pahlavi in 1979 and he was given safe haven in the United States. The people in Latin American countries whose dictators were trained in torture techniques at the School of the Americas could likewise have attacked the torture training facility in Fort Benning, Ga., under that specious rationale. Those who conspired to hijack airplanes and kill thousands of people on 9/11 are guilty of crimes against humanity. They must be identified and brought to justice in accordance with the law. But retaliation by invading Afghanistan is not the answer and will only lead to the deaths of more of our troops and Afghans.

http://www.alternet.org/story/93473/afghanistan%3A_the_other_illegal_war
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eurocelticyankee
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 12:25 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
I thought you were a legal eagle Dave, so I'm sure you're aware of International law, maybe not.

The Security Council voted against the war in 2003 so under the UN Charter that made going to war in Iraq illegal.





DAVID said
Quote:
I remain skeptical that there is any law against war.


Would moral law ever cross your mind.

If there's no law against war and invading other countries was legal then what was Desert Storm all about.
I mean if it wasn't illegal for Saddam to invade Kuwait, why did we bother with Desert Storm.

That Florida sun going to your head Dave, you know maybe a good brisk walk through the Everglades would clear your head.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 12:37 pm
@eurocelticyankee,
I dont mind centerists in government if they use their brains to think beyond the Koch brothers royalist bullshyt. You know the rhetoric, pass laws that make me richer and screw the 90%.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 12:39 pm
@CoastalRat,
Dosent anyone realize you cant impeach him. He is no longer president. Talk about wasting time and money for nothing.
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 12:51 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
Dosent anyone realize you cant impeach him. He is no longer president. Talk about wasting time and money for nothing.


Gee, thanks, Einstein.

You haven't figured out why CoastalRat and others are narrowly focusing on impeachment.
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CoastalRat
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 01:33 pm
@RABEL222,
Of course we realize that Rabel. That is the point. An earlier poster wrote something along the lines of how "decent" republicans would be calling for Bush's impeachment. So a couple of us are being smart and playing off on that. Sorry you didn't pick up on that. But that's ok. I forgive ya. Wink

Here is Euro's quote fyi. "Have you called for the impeachment and indictment of G.W Bush, Cheney and their administration for war crimes, for launching an illegal war using false evidence?"
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 01:42 pm
@CoastalRat,
Didn't I tell you, Rabel. These guys love to create diversions.

But, really, one has to wonder about the "decency" of people like this. There are many dying out there and it's not because the US is trying to save the oppressed. It's solely because the US is a greedy, rapacious, rogue nation.

And CoastalRat makes jokes.

Here we go again:

Quote:

The Startling Size of US Military Operations in Africa
The Pentagon's Africa Command will tell you there's one military base on the entire continent. Don't believe them.
—By Nick Turse | Fri Sep. 6, 2013 3:00 AM PDT

They're involved in Algeria and Angola, Benin and Botswana, Burkina Faso and Burundi, Cameroon and the Cape Verde Islands. And that's just the ABCs of the situation. Skip to the end of the alphabet and the story remains the same: Senegal and the Seychelles, Togo and Tunisia, Uganda and Zambia. From north to south, east to west, the Horn of Africa to the Sahel, the heart of the continent to the islands off its coasts, the US military is at work. Base construction, security cooperation engagements, training exercises, advisory deployments, special operations missions, and a growing logistics network, all undeniable evidence of expansion—except at US Africa Command.

To hear AFRICOM tell it, US military involvement on the continent ranges from the miniscule to the microscopic. The command is adamant that it has only a single "military base" in all of Africa: Camp Lemonnier in Djibouti. The head of the command insists that the US military maintains a "small footprint" on the continent. AFRICOM's chief spokesman has consistently minimized the scope of its operations and the number of facilities it maintains or shares with host nations, asserting that only "a small presence of personnel who conduct short-duration engagements" are operating from "several locations" on the continent at any given time.

With the war in Iraq over and the conflict in Afghanistan winding down, the US military is deploying its forces far beyond declared combat zones. In recent years, for example, Washington has very publicly proclaimed a "pivot to Asia," a "rebalancing" of its military resources eastward, without actually carrying out wholesale policy changes. Elsewhere, however, from the Middle East to South America, the Pentagon is increasingly engaged in shadowy operations whose details emerge piecemeal and are rarely examined in a comprehensive way. Nowhere is this truer than in Africa. To the media and the American people, officials insist the US military is engaged in small-scale, innocuous operations there. Out of public earshot, officers running America's secret wars say: "Africa is the battlefield of tomorrow, today."

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/09/us-military-bases-africa
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eurocelticyankee
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 01:58 pm
@CoastalRat,
Quote:
For those of us who want to see justice, who want to see the same criteria applied to the US as it applies elsewhere, there's always the Hague and that's where Bush, Cheney & co should be.


Yeah, yeah we got past all that joviality way back and there's me having a joke with you and all you are is a smart arse.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 02:03 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Oh, i'm sure you vote in every election.
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eurocelticyankee
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 02:19 pm
@CoastalRat,
Quote:
Quote:
For those of us who want to see justice, who want to see the same criteria applied to the US as it applies elsewhere, there's always the Hague and that's where Bush, Cheney & co should be.



Yeah, yeah we got past all that joviality way back and there's me having a joke with you and all you are doing is being a smart arse.


(I rephrased that somewhat as I don't want to offend too much)

JTT
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 02:27 pm
@eurocelticyankee,
Still no decent Republicans then?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 02:47 pm
@eurocelticyankee,
eurocelticyankee wrote:
I thought you were a legal eagle Dave,
so I'm sure you're aware of International law, maybe not.
"International law" is an international myth;
there is no international government.




eurocelticyankee wrote:
The Security Council voted against the war in 2003
so under the UN Charter that made going to war in Iraq illegal.
American sovereignty cannot be compromised
without a constitutional amendment, as per Article 5.
IF the UN did not like our going to war,
that ranks below the authority of the Book of the Month Club.
(At least THAT is composed of citizens.)





DAVID said
DAVID wrote:
I remain skeptical that there is any law against war.
eurocelticyankee wrote:
Would moral law ever cross your mind.
Well, not in terms of a jurisprudential analysis
of whether a war is "legal" or not, no
, but admittedly
we CAN go to war if we feel like it for any reason
or for no reason. There is NO controlling law, on that point;
hence my challenge qua the putative illegality of any war.





eurocelticyankee wrote:
If there's no law against war and invading other countries was legal then what was Desert Storm all about.
I mean if it wasn't illegal for Saddam to invade Kuwait, why did we bother with Desert Storm.
Our decision to do so
was not predicated upon a legal analysis.
We did not go to war because any statute had been violated.
We did it to defend from something like the mugging of a friend
and defense of American access to oil. I favored that war.
We shud have charged Iraq reparations, to be paid in oil. O, well.





eurocelticyankee wrote:
That Florida sun going to your head Dave,
I got some hats with wide brims; thanx for your concern.





eurocelticyankee wrote:
you know maybe a good brisk walk through the Everglades would clear your head.
I am honored by your confidence in my ability to walk on water.





David
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 02:50 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Dave, you ought not to keep showing up. There ain't a legal team on the planet that could make a case for you being decent, let alone a decent Republican.

Admittedly, you are a class A repuglican.
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 02:56 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
American sovereignty cannot be compromised


Actually you're wrong, Om, but what is more interesting is you screaming,

"We are nothing but an pompous rogue nation. We are, of course, thee most hypocritical nation that has ever inhabited the planet and a damn good case can be made that we are also the most evil, and furthermore, when it comes to lying, well, we do that real well too.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 02:56 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:
Dosent anyone realize you cant impeach him. He is no longer president.
Talk about wasting time and money for nothing.
If the Bill of Impeachment passed the House,
then it wud proceed to the Senate, for its consideration
of whether to remove him from the Presidency.

Now, the Constitution is silent on whether W 'd be RE-instated
if the Bill of Impeachment failed in the Senate (as Clinton's did).

Where 'd that leave obama ?
 

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