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Any Decent Republicans Out There?

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 02:41 am
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:
Ronny Raygun would be a liberal in todays republican party.
U have no beginnings of an idea
of what u are talking about; Y fake it ??

No disrespect intended; it just does not make sense.





David
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 03:54 am
@eurocelticyankee,
eurocelticyankee wrote:

Sorry Brandon, I'm in a bit of a hurry here.

You'll get no argument from me about the evils of Saddam & his regime. Monsters.
Who unfortunately we the West (the US really) armed to the teeth and gave carte blanche to do as he pleased, including using chemical weapons, so long as he was was fighting a proxy war against Iran for us.

Have to go mate, have a good day.

Thanks. But your other response is irrelevant. We invaded because he couldn't be permitted to possess WMD, and after 12 years of trying to send in inspectors, he wouldn't allow us to determine whether he did or he didn't retain development programs. verbal threats from us or from the UN didn't work. We were justified and more than justified in invading, and had he retained development programs, we might have prevented a million deaths. We were right to invade. Perhaps we should have opposed him earlier, but then we'd also have to oppose China and all of the other dictatorships around the world, which isn't really our role.
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 05:09 am
Oh horseshit, Brandon. Ten years later, and you're still trying to peddle the same BS. Inspectors were on the ground in Iraq, and they reported no womds and no womd programs. We invaded because that was the goal of the neo-cons, which the Project for a New American Century clearly stated as early as 1997, when they asked Clinton to invade Iraq. They needed a casus belli, so they made up the yellow cake story, and they made up BS such as Cheney saying we knew which palm trees the weapons were parked under, and they stampeded the Congress, who, as always, feared for their electoral prospects.

Don't make **** up.
eurocelticyankee
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 05:16 am
@Brandon9000,
See, I don't believe for a second Bush & co cared one way or the other whether wmd existed. Smoke & Mirrors, that war was going to happen no matter what, wmd was just a lie, simple as that. Fabricated intelligence, not bad intel but hyped up bullshit. Cheney & co wanted that war and they lied, bullied & coerced their way into it. Ably abetted by Blair I might add. The funny thing is; Cheney & co knew this war was always going to happen, long in advance, regardless of any weapons inspectors reports, none of that mattered, this war was going to happen and yet, and yet they still managed to make a complete and utter horlocks of it.
Correct me if i'm wrong Brandon, one of the basic rules of war regarding an occupying force is, excuse me for pasting, but I'm lazy.
Art. 43.
The authority of the legitimate power having in fact passed into the hands of the occupant, the latter shall take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country.

Anyway, so I think you should stop trying to absolve the US of any responsibility for what happened after you invaded, ridiculous, hundreds of thousands dead and you're doing a Pontius Pilate. They knew they were going to war, any forward planning, any planning for the peace, nothing, like a bunch of ******* cowboys they rolled into that country, no thought to the consequences or more than likely they just didn't care and still don't. That stupidity in itself was a war crime.
eurocelticyankee
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 06:06 am
@RABEL222,
Hi Ra, absolutely, of course, many of them I'm sure. What I find hard to understand is the lack of, I don't know how to put this, but look at it like this. We have Obama in power now a while. Personally I'm disappointed in him on many issues, drones, Guantanamo among them. I expected much more from him, maybe too much.
Now there's a lot of unhappy Democrats & Obama supporters out there and their willing to stand up and say so, a few on this site and I'm not talking about the usual suspects.
Let's say President Obama used or uses lies & false intel to hype up and start a war with Iran and lets throw in authorising torture. I know there would be a lot of Democrats calling for impeachment, I like to think so anyway. Of course every single Republican on the planet would be screaming for it too, now... not because of the war but because he lied about it, of course.

Anyway my point being, I don't see that same level of dissent or questioning among Republicans.
Blind obedience is best left to religion and kept out of politics.
eurocelticyankee
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 06:25 am
Worth keeping in mind.

Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.
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eurocelticyankee
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 06:31 am
@JTT,
JTT
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Notice how Farmer avoided the central issue, ECY. He's really not much different than Finn, Brandon or OmSickDave.


Hi JT,
One, I'll let Farmerman talk for himself, he'd probably stomp on me if I tried.
Two, I don't know Brandon, haven't really read his stuff, so give a man the benefit of the doubt, I say.
Can't just assume he's down in the gutter with Gunk & co.... or up in space with David & co.
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 08:48 am
@OmSigDAVID,
You read right over "indictment", Om. That's just not like you to ignore the facts.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 09:03 am
@eurocelticyankee,
eurocelticyankee wrote:
Have you called for the impeachment and indictment of G.W Bush, Cheney and their administration for war crimes, for launching an illegal war using false evidence?

No, I have not. I can report that I'm not even considering writing a letter to my congressperson and asking them to start impeaching G.W. Bush. Nope, not on my short or long term agendas.

Ergo, I suppose according to you I am not a "decent" http://imageshack.us/a/img39/3498/emotairquote.gif Republican.

So what's the tally now? Brandon, Finn, David, Tico ... 4 "indecent" Republicans to zero "decent" Republicans?
http://i.imgur.com/gHzWDq3.gif

When are you loony leftists going to let go of this "illegal war" bullshit?
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 09:08 am
@Ticomaya,
That's all the US does, Tico, is launch illegal invasions.

And given your defense for US war criminals and terrorists, you haven't illustrated that you even begin to approach decent in any respect.
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 09:11 am
@RABEL222,
Amazing how y'all embrace these vicious war criminals/terrorists.
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eurocelticyankee
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 09:16 am
@Ticomaya,
So it seems Republican indignation is limited to blow jobs.
You couldn't give a **** that thousands of innocent Iraqis were slaughtered in your name.

You don't need me to say you're not decent, you're doing that yourself.


By the by I would not consider myself a leftist and you wouldn't either if you knew me. A liberal maybe.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 09:20 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
" . . . they stampeded the Congress, who, as always, feared for their electoral prospects. "
Maybe thay were DEMOCRATS; "democracy" is supposed to work that way:
rule by the people not by politicians just doing whatever thay damn please.





David
OmSigDAVID
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 09:22 am
@eurocelticyankee,
eurocelticyankee wrote:
So it seems Republican indignation is limited to blow jobs.
Blow jobs and gun control.
eurocelticyankee
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 09:23 am
@OmSigDAVID,
You gotta love you Spaceman.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 09:28 am
@OmSigDAVID,
So they stampeded the gullible among the voting population, too. Some members of Congress did not vote for the resolution, including the man in the White House right now. I know that will warm your withered, little heart.
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 09:43 am
@Ticomaya,
Quote:
When are you loony leftists going to let go of this "illegal war" bullshit?


"loony" to you, Tico, is people who have a healthy respect for the truth and like to deal in facts.

Quote:


By Marjorie Cohn
Afghanistan: The Other Illegal War

The U.S. invasion of Afghanistan was every bit as illegal as the invasion of Iraq. Why, then, do so many Americans see it as justifiable?

...

The U.N. Charter provides that all member states must settle their international disputes by peaceful means, and no nation can use military force except in self-defense or when authorized by the Security Council. After the 9/11 attacks, the council passed two resolutions, neither of which authorized the use of military force in Afghanistan. Resolutions 1368 and 1373 condemned the Sept. 11 attacks and ordered the freezing of assets; the criminalizing of terrorist activity; the prevention of the commission of and support for terrorist attacks; and the taking of necessary steps to prevent the commission of terrorist activity, including the sharing of information. In addition, it urged ratification and enforcement of the international conventions against terrorism.

The invasion of Afghanistan was not legitimate self-defense under article 51 of the charter because the attacks on Sept. 11 were criminal attacks, not "armed attacks" by another country. Afghanistan did not attack the United States. In fact, 15 of the 19 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. Furthermore, there was not an imminent threat of an armed attack on the United States after Sept. 11, or Bush would not have waited three weeks before initiating his October 2001 bombing campaign. The necessity for self-defense must be "instant, overwhelming, leaving no choice of means, and no moment for deliberation." This classic principle of self-defense in international law has been affirmed by the Nuremberg Tribunal and the U.N. General Assembly.

Bush's justification for attacking Afghanistan was that it was harboring Osama bin Laden and training terrorists. Iranians could have made the same argument to attack the United States after they overthrew the vicious Shah Reza Pahlavi in 1979 and he was given safe haven in the United States. The people in Latin American countries whose dictators were trained in torture techniques at the School of the Americas could likewise have attacked the torture training facility in Fort Benning, Ga., under that specious rationale. Those who conspired to hijack airplanes and kill thousands of people on 9/11 are guilty of crimes against humanity. They must be identified and brought to justice in accordance with the law. But retaliation by invading Afghanistan is not the answer and will only lead to the deaths of more of our troops and Afghans.

[I'm sure that you'll read on, Tico, at]

http://www.alternet.org/story/93473/afghanistan%3A_the_other_illegal_war

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RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 10:09 am
@eurocelticyankee,
www.dilbert.com
eurocelticyankee
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 10:32 am
@RABEL222,
Do you know what, in this nuthouse that I call home, there is no Republican or Democrat, no left or right anymore.
They've all pretty much shifted to the middle. You know, no real choice anymore.
Vote for me Richard Johnson....... No vote for me John Richardson.
Independents are the in thing.
But what can an independent do when party politics rules.

Anyway we're ruled by the ECB these days, which is in essence the Bundesbank, so basically we're ruled by Germany.

Funny old world.

CoastalRat
 
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Reply Thu 26 Sep, 2013 11:13 am
@Ticomaya,
I too must not be a "decent" republican for I have no intention of calling for Bush's impeachment. But, do I get points for not calling for Obama's impeachment either? So maybe I am neither decent nor indecent. Wait, I take it back. My wife called me indecent just the other night. So I guess I am not a "decent" republican. Of course, I think she might have been referring to something else.

Just out of curiosity, are there any decent democrats out there either?
 

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