over what many scholars and Chinese complain are?

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"over what many scholars and Chinese complain are" sounds something missing here. Its grammar is not complete.

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The exposure of Mr. Zhang’s faked credentials provoked a fresh round of hand-wringing over what many scholars and Chinese complain are the dishonest practices that permeate society, including students who cheat on college entrance exams, scholars who promote fake or unoriginal research, and dairy companies that sell poisoned milk to infants.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/07/world/asia/07fraud.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

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The exposure of Mr. Zhang’s faked credentials / provoked round

of / hand-wringing

over/ what = ( many scholars and Chinese complain)/ are / practices

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The grammar is complete. To "wring hands over" something is to hypocritically or excessively lament, bemoan or express regret about it.

The exposure of Mr. Zhang’s faked credentials provoked a fresh round of hand-wringing over (what many scholars and Chinese complain are) the dishonest practices that permeate society.

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@contrex,

Contrex stealing another person's words and ideas.

http://able2know.org/topic/217676-1

Post # 5,380,743

@contrex,
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/food-allergy/AN01109

What's the difference between a food intolerance and food allergy?

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from James T C Li, M.D., Ph.D. : A food intolerance can cause some of the same signs and symptoms as a food allergy, so people often confuse the two.

Contrex: A food intolerance can cause some of the same signs and symptoms as a food allergy, so people often confuse the two.

James T C Li, M.D., Ph.D.: A true food allergy causes an immune system reaction that affects numerous organs in the body. It can cause a range of symptoms. In some cases, an allergic food reaction can be severe or life-threatening. In contrast, food intolerance symptoms are generally less serious and are limited to digestive problems.

Contrex: A true food allergy causes an immune system reaction that affects numerous organs in the body. It can cause a range of symptoms. In some cases, an allergic food reaction can be severe or life-threatening. In contrast, food intolerance symptoms are generally less serious and are limited to digestive problems.

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@oristarA,

You have to be able to recognize when you're being brainwashed. An American company which sold even one pint of "poisoned milk" which ever found its way to an infant's bottle would be shut down that selfsame day and at least one person would go to prison.

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@JTT,

JTT stealing another person's words and ideas. In this case Setanta's.

http://able2know.org/topic/220631-4#post-5423077

You really have got way too much time on your hands.

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@oristarA,

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The exposure of Mr. Zhang’s faked credentials provoked a fresh round of hand-wringing over what many scholars and Chinese complain are the dishonest practices that permeate society, including students who cheat on college entrance exams, scholars who promote fake or unoriginal research, and dairy companies that sell poisoned milk to infants.

There are more usage problems than grammar problems with that one.

Better would be:

Quote:

The exposure of Mr. Zhang's faked credentials provoked a fresh round of hand wringing over what many Chinese scholars and lay persons alike complain are dishonest practices that permeate Chinese society, including students cheating on college exams, scholars promoting fake or unoriginal research, and even dairy companies selling tainted milk for infants.

You don't sell milk TO infants, you sell it to their parents FOR infants....

This thing was confusing as written since it sounded like Chinese were talking about American society.

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@contrex,

contrex wrote:

The grammar is complete. To "wring hands over" something is to hypocritically or excessively lament, bemoan or express regret about it.

The exposure of Mr. Zhang’s faked credentials provoked a fresh round of hand-wringing over (what many scholars and Chinese complain are) the dishonest practices that permeate society.

Well, remove (what many scholars and Chinese complain are) and it will be crystal clear.

But many scholars are what? Chinese complain is what?
If the complain is dishonest practices, it is understandable; but if many sccholars are dishonest practices, it is not; One ought to say many scholars are dishonest practitioners, not practices.

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@gungasnake,

gungasnake wrote:

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The exposure of Mr. Zhang’s faked credentials provoked a fresh round of hand-wringing over what many scholars and Chinese complain are the dishonest practices that permeate society, including students who cheat on college entrance exams, scholars who promote fake or unoriginal research, and dairy companies that sell poisoned milk to infants.

There are more usage problems than grammar problems with that one.

Better would be:

Quote:
The exposure of Mr. Zhang's faked credentials provoked a fresh round of hand wringing over what many Chinese scholars and lay persons alike complain are dishonest practices that permeate Chinese society, including students cheating on college exams, scholars promoting fake or unoriginal research, and even dairy companies selling tainted milk for infants.

You don't sell milk TO infants, you sell it to their parents FOR infants....

This thing was confusing as written since it sounded like Chinese were talking about American society.

Cool!
Complain is a verb there.
Many scholars are part of Chinese people. You've penetrated the logic and corrected the error.
Thanks.

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The faked credentials is a sample of dishonest practices

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@oristarA,

hand-wringing over alleged widespread bad practices.
hand-wringing over what certain people* say are widespread bad practices.

* i.e. many scholars and Chinese

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@contrex,

contrex wrote:

hand-wringing over alleged widespread bad practices.
hand-wringing over what certain people* say are widespread bad practices.

* i.e. many scholars and Chinese

Crystal clear.

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Of course, as it stands, it clumsily seems to imply that a person cannot be both Chinese and a scholar.

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@izzythepush,

Izzytheputz becomes Izzytheliar. Who says a putz can't change its spots.

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@JTT,

You're the most dishonest person on A2K. I've told nothing but the truth about you. I know it's not something you want to hear, but tough ****.

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@gungasnake,

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You have to be able to recognize when you're being brainwashed.

Now that's rich, really rich, coming from you, an American sheeple, Gunga.

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An American company which sold even one pint of "poisoned milk" which ever found its way to an infant's bottle would be shut down that selfsame day and at least one person would go to prison.

Yeah, the "baby" deal would give the opportunity for some grand propaganda.

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@JTT,

http://able2know.org/topic/220567-9#post-5417545

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@izzythepush,

Izzytheputz becomes Izzythecomplusiveliar.

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@gungasnake,

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and even dairy companies selling tainted milk for infants.

Gunga: You don't sell milk TO infants, you sell it to their parents FOR infants....

Your change is nonsense, Gunga. The milk isn't being sold TO infants. Changing to 'for' makes it sound as if this was a planned, ongoing enterprise.

Everyone knows that "dairy companies selling tainted milk to infants" means, dairy companies selling tainted milk to parents to feed/give to their infants.

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@contrex,

contrex wrote:

hand-wringing over alleged widespread bad practices.
hand-wringing over what certain people say are widespread bad practices.

I've not well grasped the grammar of "what certain people say are."

Is " what are" the main part? And the "what" is what "certain people say"?

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