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The EU's Vicious Economic Sanctions on Israel

 
 
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 4 Aug, 2013 11:34 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:


izzythepush wrote:
This isn't about Jews, this is about white colonists from Europe and North America stomping all over the rights of the indigenous population.

Note: The Israelis are the indigenous population of the West Bank.


Silly mythological rationalizations aside, the Israeli settlers in the West Bank are mostly immigrants from Israel and other countries of the world. Those Israeli settlers born in settlements are first generation Israeli settlers.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 4 Aug, 2013 11:54 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
oralloy wrote:
izzythepush wrote:
This isn't about Jews, this is about white colonists from Europe and North America stomping all over the rights of the indigenous population.

Note: The Israelis are the indigenous population of the West Bank.

Silly mythological rationalizations aside,

Historical fact is neither silly nor mythological nor a rationalization.


InfraBlue wrote:
the Israeli settlers in the West Bank are mostly immigrants from Israel and other countries of the world. Those Israeli settlers born in settlements are first generation Israeli settlers.

They are the indigenous population of the West Bank.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 5 Aug, 2013 03:57 am
@InfraBlue,
Don't expect a rational response from Oralboy, he's seriously deranged. He lost touch with reality years ago. He believes in nuking Italy and Russia and killing Italian babies, of course he's not going to understand what indigenous means. He's from one of those creepy religions where they're not to think, just shut up and swallow the bullshit.
Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 5 Aug, 2013 09:35 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Foofie wrote:

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Foofie wrote:
Aren't there still American troops in Germany? In Japan? Perhaps, the Germans and Japanese have some insight into humility that Palestineans do not?
We've got British troops here, French, Dutch, Canadian and Polish.


Why?
We are a NATO-country - joined French-German, Dutch-German and Polish-German brigades. The Canadians have left their garrisons here since a couple of years, but use US-facilities now. The US and British are still stationed in their former occupied zones (the British will leave in 2017).


So, the presence of NATO troops in Germany is not based on any potential threat that Germany poses to anyone. However, the Palestineans do pose a potential threat to Israel, in the opinion of Israel, I thought. So, Israeli troops in occupied Palestinean is for a different purpose.

Now, why do you suppose Germany became such a model of democracy and capitalism, not to mention productive and profitable? I believe, if the Palestineans could direct their energies in the same manner, Israel would be only too happy to have a successful neighbor, without occupying troops. Perhaps, too many people do not see the forest for the trees, in that rather than begrudging Israel its existence, follow the good role models of Germany and Japan. Perhaps, there is too much humiliation in accepting the peaceful existence of Israel in the Arab mindset? Could that correlate with intractable anti-Semitism. Heck, if Germany and Poland can become philo-Semitic, others should try. It should be less difficult? It might even be good for a nation's mental health?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 5 Aug, 2013 09:54 am
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:

Now, why do you suppose Germany became such a model of democracy and capitalism, ...
I don't think that Germany is "a model of capitalism" - actually, it can't be besides we would get a new constitution:
Quote:
Article 20
[Constitutional principles – Right of resistance]

(1) The Federal Republic of Germany is a democratic and social federal state. ... ... ...
Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 5 Aug, 2013 10:11 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Foofie wrote:

Now, why do you suppose Germany became such a model of democracy and capitalism, ...
I don't think that Germany is "a model of capitalism" - actually, it can't be besides we would get a new constitution:
Quote:
Article 20
[Constitutional principles – Right of resistance]

(1) The Federal Republic of Germany is a democratic and social federal state. ... ... ...



You are mincing words, in my opinion. The word "socialism," in my opinion, calms the people of left-wing impulses. The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 5 Aug, 2013 01:17 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
Historical fact is neither silly nor mythological nor a rationalization.


Says you.

Quote:
They are the indigenous population of the West Bank.


nuh-UH!
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 5 Aug, 2013 01:20 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Don't expect a rational response from Oralboy, he's seriously deranged. He lost touch with reality years ago. He believes in nuking Italy and Russia and killing Italian babies, of course he's not going to understand what indigenous means. He's from one of those creepy religions where they're not to think, just shut up and swallow the bullshit.


Yeah, but he's good for when I want to let out my inner Middle Schooler.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 5 Aug, 2013 01:51 pm
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:

You are mincing words, in my opinion. The word "socialism," in my opinion, calms the people of left-wing impulses. The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
I didn't mention "socialism" nor does our constituion.
It is generally accepted by constitutional experts as well as by the Federal Constitutional Court that Germany can't be a "capitalist" country due to article 20. ("Capitalism is hostile to the Basic Law", as the federal constitutional judge Böckenförde wrote.)
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oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 5 Aug, 2013 03:30 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Historical fact is neither silly nor mythological nor a rationalization.

Says you.

Says all the scientists and intelligent people.

But don't worry, at least you have the Holocaust deniers on your side.


InfraBlue wrote:
oralloy wrote:
They are the indigenous population of the West Bank.

nuh-UH!

Your denial of reality is charming. Do you deny the Holocaust too?
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 5 Aug, 2013 03:30 pm
@InfraBlue,

izzythepush wrote:
Don't expect a rational response from Oralboy, he's seriously deranged. He lost touch with reality years ago. He believes in nuking Italy and Russia and killing Italian babies, of course he's not going to understand what indigenous means. He's from one of those creepy religions where they're not to think, just shut up and swallow the bullshit.

Note that most of what that freak said about me is a lie. (And at least half of it is an accurate description of him.)
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 5 Aug, 2013 04:31 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Your criticisms of the US are in fact almost always unjust and untrue.


They are rarely my "criticisms". The source material describes a country that has been nothing but a terrorist nation/group since its inception. The facts don't lie. What you mistakenly think are facts is the propaganda that has fooled many into thinking the US is some kind of savior of the oppressed.

The US has never ever done that. There is no situation where the people have been better off after the US got involved. There are many many situations where the people have paid an enormous price in the carnage wrought by the US.

Quote:
When you informed me that you had quoted whatever vile lies he wrote, I voted down your post to make it disappear before I could read the rest of it.


Those are children who do such things.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 5 Aug, 2013 10:46 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Historical fact is neither silly nor mythological nor a rationalization.

Says you.

Says all the scientists and intelligent people.

But don't worry, at least you have the Holocaust deniers on your side.


InfraBlue wrote:
oralloy wrote:
They are the indigenous population of the West Bank.

nuh-UH!

Your denial of reality is charming. Do you deny the Holocaust too?


One thing is the Holocaust, quite another is your ridiculous attempt to pass off mythology as history.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 5 Aug, 2013 11:10 pm
@InfraBlue,
Tough to follow this one.

Are you suggesting that the Holocaust is a myth?

If not what is the myth you find problematic?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 6 Aug, 2013 01:49 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
I thought you'd 'had it' Finn. Nevermind, the myth is that European and American settlers who moved to Israel post war are the indigenous population because of their religion.
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 6 Aug, 2013 06:17 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Welcome back, Finn.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 6 Aug, 2013 06:25 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Are you suggesting that the Holocaust is a myth?


Btw Finn, there's no Holocaust deniers in A2K's pro-Palestine camp. The last person who tried to justify Holocaust denial by citing Israel's disgraceful treatment of the Palestinians was Krumple, and she was given short shrift.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 6 Aug, 2013 07:18 am
http://www.palwatch.org
http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=339
http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=135

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/savage

Quote:
Definition of SAVAGE

1
a : not domesticated or under human control : untamed <savage beasts>
b : lacking the restraints normal to civilized human beings : fierce, ferocious <a savage criminal>......
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 6 Aug, 2013 08:38 am

The gigantic muslim world and the tiny sliver of land called Israel:

http://zioneocon.blogspot.com/isr-world.gif

http://zioneocon.blogspot.com/2003/09/jakarta-10000-indonesian-muslims-rally.html

Quote:

How is it that Israel incurs such widespread and vehement hatred? It's one of the tiniest of countries, only one-sixth of one percent of the lands called Arab. How is it she is held responsible for the political dissatisfaction of 22 Arab countries, with 640 times her size and 60 times her population?

Five million Jews, and the Muslim world just can't stand it. ...
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 6 Aug, 2013 10:08 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:
The gigantic muslim world and the tiny sliver of land called Israel:

http://zioneocon.blogspot.com/isr-world.gif
Just correcting your insight view of the EU slightly, gunga:

http://i42.tinypic.com/30u3cht.jpg
 

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