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The EU's Vicious Economic Sanctions on Israel

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2013 01:47 pm
The Israeli government responded on July 26 by announcing curbs on EU aid projects for thousands of West Bank Palestinians.

On Thursday last week, it accused the Europeans of harming Israeli-Palestinian peace efforts and said it would not sign new deals with the 28-nation bloc given the planned sanctions.

On Friday last week, the Israeli government asked the European Union to rethink planned sanctions against its organizations in the occupied territories and called for talks.

And now ... the Foreign Ministry says Israel will not participate in EU programs if new guidelines are not relaxed.

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[...] After Israel’s protest at the start of the talks, the two sides continued discussing the details of an agreement between the two sides. The European Union delegation said that Wednesday’s talks were “limited to a probing of technical and financial aspects of Horizon 2020.”

The next round of talks will be held in Brussels in September, the EU delegation said, and will deal with the “territorial aspects of future agreements.” In other words, talks will revolve around the EU requirement that Israel declare that it is not sovereign beyond the 1967 borders, so that the any agreement would not apply to those areas. The next round of talks will also deal with the manner of implementation of the new guidelines in future agreements on scientific cooperation.
Source: Haaretz
Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2013 06:33 pm
@Advocate,
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You have to look at my statement in context.


I don't think so, Advocate. There is certainly nothing amiss in my critical reading skills. Possibly you worded your response wrong and I will give you that.

Advocate wrote:
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Israel has been amazing in its restraint considering the constant vicious attacks against it. I never heard of Iceland being attacked.


"Restraint"? Is that what you call it? Israel has been perniciously dogmatic in its actions regarding illegal settlements; constantly flaunting its disregard for the laws and rules of the Geneva Convention; the United Nations has repeatedly upheld the view that Israel's construction of settlements constitutes violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.

Advocate wrote:
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BTW, Israel has expanded into unowned and unoccupied land, which is its right. There is no nation called "Palestine, " which owns the land in question.


B.U.L.L*S*H*I*T! True "Palestine" was not known as a nation but an area and the Romans named it "Palaistinē," which is now called Palestine, but let's not argue over the interpretation of a word, because then you look as if you're grasping at straws; the reality is Jews, Muslims, Christians were all living in Palestine during the time of Jesus, 2000 years ago, and for Israel to now say only Jews lived there and there were no Palestinians when in reality all Jews, Muslims and Christians were Palestinian Jews, Palestinian Muslims, and Palestinian Christians. Israel's legal land ends at the 1967 borders!!! Everything beyond that has been STOLEN LAND FROM THE PALESTINIANS~ Why is it that Europe is at the beginning of a process that will isolate the tiny Zionist nation?!

Advocate wrote:
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Contrary to some of the statements in this thread, Israel begged the Israeli Arabs not to flee in 1948.


ROTFLMFAO!!!! Sure they did, Advocate. That's one of the reason a Palestinian from the West Bank cannot enter Israel proper today to live because ISRAEL BEGGED THEM TO STAY!!!!!LOL!!!!! Thanks for the laugh, my fellow poster.

Advocate wrote:
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However, the invading forces told the Arabs to leave their homes to better enable the destruction of Israel and its people. They were told that they could return in two weeks, when Israel would have been conquered, and then could seize Jewish properties and have their way with Jewish women. Happily, to the amazement of everyone, Israel won the war.


The above statement, Advocate, is surely meant for your genetically brain dead audience.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2013 06:44 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Your ignorance is incredible. BTW, there were no Muslims 2000 years ago.
Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2013 07:06 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

The Israeli government responded on July 26 by announcing curbs on EU aid projects for thousands of West Bank Palestinians.


Didn't Deutsche Wella tv tonight, or was it the BBC news, that had an EU official explain the "stamp" that will be put on wine that was made from grapes grown in the West Bank. In other words, the EU is allowing for an unofficial boycott.

As the farm owner said, it used to be a yellow star that Jews had to wear. Now their wine has a yellow star of sorts. It is just anti-Semitism in new clothing. (My paraphrasing.)

Actually, I believe a sea change will occur in less than a decade. Zinc rechargeable batteries have recently been perfected. Within ten years, or less, cars may not need gasoline. Homes may be heated by Russian gas.

The Arabs might not then be big oil producers for the EU. In that scenario, I am betting that the EU would rather get innovative technological stuff from Israel than oil that they don't need. Just my prediction. And, the desire of the EU to ingratiate the EU to the cause of Palestinean "rights" may just become another defenestration (of Prague).
Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2013 07:58 pm
@Advocate,
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Your ignorance is incredible. BTW, there were no Muslims 2000 years ago.


You are correct as according to Goggle, Islam began in the 6th century, 600 years after Jesus Christ, and an adherent of Islam is called a Muslim. Islam is a branch of the monotheistic and Abrahamic religion.

The fact that Islam did not make its appearance until the 6th century, 600 years after Jesus, does not detract from the fact the people who practice Islam today are the descendants of these same people who lived during Jesus time.

Advocate, we are carping over the use of misused words. Are you so desperate, that you're unable to acknowledge the indigenous people, called Palestinians, were there to greet the European Jews, who by the way, are Khazar converts to Judaism, with the Palestinians having more of the true ancient Jewish DNA in them than the European so-called Jews.
Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2013 09:15 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
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The Two-State Solution
Published: August 14, 2013

Regarding “One-state dream, one-state nightmare” (Aug. 13) by Roger Cohen: Any honest examination of the facts on the ground, and of the opinions of Israel’s leaders, can only lead to the conclusion that the two-state solution will not come about. There is no way that any conceivable Israeli government will implement the necessary redeployment from the West Bank in a manner that will facilitate the creation of a Palestinian state — contiguous or otherwise. Even the formidable Ariel Sharon only just managed to achieve the withdrawal from Gaza, and nobody on the scene in Israel today has his ruthlessness, energy and prestige. Moreover the disengagement from Gaza was a tea party compared with a withdrawal from the historical heartland of the Bible.

DANIEL GAVRON, Motza Elite, Israel

I don’t think Israel wants a just peace solution. It doesn’t want a two-state solution or one-state solution. It wants all historic Palestine without the Palestinians. The only way out is for the Palestinians to unify in all historic Palestine and start massive demonstrations to demand an end to the Israeli occupation and be in control of their own state. There is no need for a “peace process” to buy more time for the Israelis to steal more Palestinian land.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/15/opinion/global/the-two-state-solution.html?hpw&_r=0
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2013 10:22 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:
Israel is one of the world's most cunning nations on earth....it's as if Israel is a hybrid postconquest culture, bred from the ashes of Auschwitz. The Zionist nation gives the finger to the International community, paying lip service to the the Peace Talks, while all the time continue to build settlements AS BOLD AS YOU PLEASE in front of the world community!!!

I'm disappointed to see that you are trying to undermine the peace talks with vile anti-Semitism.

Keep in mind that if negotiations fail, the Palestinians will have to be forced out of the West Bank.

Instead of a Palestinian state based on 1967 borders, the Palestinians will have a state based on the Gaza Strip.


Moment-in-Time wrote:
now Israel would like the US to send her troops in to get rid of Iran. Well, Israel, the US might have gone soft in the head with the Tea Party, but there are cooler heads in the Obama administration and trust me they have not gone mad yet! There is no way in hell Obama will go to war for Israel to get rid of Iran's nuclear facility, especially since there's no proof of one in actual existence at this time ready to launch! Still that hasn't stopped Israel from screaming they're about to be attacked. Israel would dearly love to attack Iran on its own but it realizes doing so would be biting off more than it can chew. It needs the US to do the dirty work and US and British military to die in place of Israeli military.

That is nonsense in so many ways that I don't know where to start.

There has been proof of Iran's illegal nuclear weapon program for decades.

Israel is fully capable of destroying Iran's nuclear weapon sites on their own.

Israel is not asking the US to bomb Iran for them.

Rather, it is Obama who is asking Israel to wait and let the US conduct the bombardment.

And Obama fully intends to launch a major bombardment of Iran within the next year.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2013 10:22 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:
although not as morally reprehensible as Oralloy, who trashes the victim Meredith Kercher, implying her murder was a good thing. In my wildest imagination I cannot envision Advocate penning a statement like that towards a murdered victim.

Get your facts straight. The victims in that case are Amanda and Raffaele.

And there is nothing reprehensible about my defense of innocent victims.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2013 10:25 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:
B.U.L.L*S*H*I*T! True "Palestine" was not known as a nation but an area and the Romans named it "Palaistinē," which is now called Palestine, but let's not argue over the interpretation of a word, because then you look as if you're grasping at straws; the reality is Jews, Muslims, Christians were all living in Palestine during the time of Jesus, 2000 years ago, and for Israel to now say only Jews lived there and there were no Palestinians when in reality all Jews, Muslims and Christians were Palestinian Jews, Palestinian Muslims, and Palestinian Christians. Israel's legal land ends at the 1967 borders!!! Everything beyond that has been STOLEN LAND FROM THE PALESTINIANS~

Nope. The Israelis are indigenous to the West Bank. Denying history only discredits you.


Moment-in-Time wrote:
Why is it that Europe is at the beginning of a process that will isolate the tiny Zionist nation?!

The European pressure is part of a global Kabuki Dance backing up the peace negotiations.

The Arab states are pressuring the Palestinians just as much as Europe is pressuring Israel. Why do you think the Palestinians suddenly decided to start negotiating after refusing to talk for five years? (And without even spewing their traditional nonsense about "halting settlement construction".)
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2013 10:28 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:
The fact that Islam did not make its appearance until the 6th century, 600 years after Jesus, does not detract from the fact the people who practice Islam today are the descendants of these same people who lived during Jesus time.

Your lies about history are very unbecoming. The Jews of today are the descendants of the Jews from back then.


Moment-in-Time wrote:
Are you so desperate, that you're unable to acknowledge the indigenous people, called Palestinians,

The Israelis are the people indigenous to the West Bank.


Moment-in-Time wrote:
with the Palestinians having more of the true ancient Jewish DNA in them than the European so-called Jews.

Stop lying. The Palestinians do not have any Jewish DNA in them.

And the Jews that you falsely accuse of not being Jews, do.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2013 11:04 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Opinion Piece by a Discouraged Israeli wrote:
Regarding “One-state dream, one-state nightmare” (Aug. 13) by Roger Cohen: Any honest examination of the facts on the ground, and of the opinions of Israel’s leaders, can only lead to the conclusion that the two-state solution will not come about. There is no way that any conceivable Israeli government will implement the necessary redeployment from the West Bank in a manner that will facilitate the creation of a Palestinian state — contiguous or otherwise.

Israel has already offered the Palestinians a contiguous state based on 1967 borders. The offer fell through because the Palestinians decided they'd rather murder children than have their own state.


Opinion Piece by a Discouraged Israeli wrote:
Even the formidable Ariel Sharon only just managed to achieve the withdrawal from Gaza, and nobody on the scene in Israel today has his ruthlessness, energy and prestige.

After the Palestinians murdered their way out of the peace process, Ariel Sharon thought to try a unilateral pullout.

The reason he stopped after Gaza and did not pull out of the West Bank is because, instead of beginning to form their own state when he pulled out of Gaza, all the Palestinians did was use Gaza as a platform for firing on Israeli civilians.


Opinion Piece by a Discouraged Israeli wrote:
Moreover the disengagement from Gaza was a tea party compared with a withdrawal from the historical heartland of the Bible.

Maybe so, but if the Palestinians take this one last opportunity to have a state based on 1967 borders, Israel will disengage from most of the West Bank.

If the Palestinians reject peace again, the inevitable outcome will be the Palestinians disengaging from the West Bank.




Opinion Piece by a Whacky Muslim wrote:
I don’t think Israel wants a just peace solution.

Israel has repeatedly offered just solutions, only to have their offers get buried in a wave of Palestinian violence.


Opinion Piece by a Whacky Muslim wrote:
It doesn’t want a two-state solution or one-state solution.

Funny how Israel kept offering a two-state solution over and over.


Opinion Piece by a Whacky Muslim wrote:
It wants all historic Palestine without the Palestinians.

No, that's just the last resort if the Palestinians refuse to make peace again.


Opinion Piece by a Whacky Muslim wrote:
The only way out is for the Palestinians to unify in all historic Palestine and start massive demonstrations to demand an end to the Israeli occupation and be in control of their own state.

That is one of two ways out. That particular path will lead to the Palestinians being forced to leave the West Bank, having only the Gaza Strip as their country.

The other way out is for the Palestinians to peacefully negotiate a two-state solution based on 1967 borders.


Opinion Piece by a Whacky Muslim wrote:
There is no need for a “peace process” to buy more time for the Israelis to steal more Palestinian land.

The peace process is certainly not necessary. People could start forcibly removing Palestinians from the West Bank first thing tomorrow morning. But it is nice to give the Palestinians one last chance.

Maybe they don't deserve another chance. But still, there it is, if they want to take it.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2013 12:19 am
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:

Didn't Deutsche Wella tv tonight, or was it the BBC news, that had an EU official explain the "stamp" that will be put on wine that was made from grapes grown in the West Bank. In other words, the EU is allowing for an unofficial boycott. [/quote]No idea if they did or didn't - I quoted from Israeli media.
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0bserver
 
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Reply Thu 29 Aug, 2013 08:27 pm
@engineer,
Regardless of sides, do you really think energy is the main problem in Iran's economy, so it has to develop a nuclear program?

Iran is close to the top on the list of countries by proven oil reserves
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_proven_oil_reserves

and number one on gas reserves:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_natural_gas_proven_reserves

So considering this information, what do you think is the purpose of the Iranian nuclear program?
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