"STAND YOUR GROUND"--IS IT A GOOD LAW??

Florida is just the leader of 25 other states...



http://www.ibtimes.com/stand-your-ground-26-us-states-have-shoot-first-laws-1351127

I understand. IS it a good law? I didn't know that, after passing the law in Fla, that homicides tripled. Certainly not an indication that weve become a more civilized country.

it is very popular among the nun guts here.

I personally find it offensive...

No. It is clearly not a good law... unless we start arming 17 year old Black kids.

In Pa, we hve a similar law but deadly force can only be used IF THE ASSAILANT HAS A SIMILAR WEPON VISIBLE to the claimant.
This law was passed under the watch of our present governor who was already trying to round up his minions for 2014 re-election. Pa is a big hunting and fishing state. SOmehow that bag limit has extended into hunting armed people.

In Fla, their SYG law considered the pavement as a deadly weapon, and made it ok for Zimmerman to stalk his victim

I absolutely oppose these kind of laws. We ought to look for ways to deal with people instead of more ways to blow them away. In fact, I no longer look so favorably on private gun ownership, because people cannot handle the responsibility.

It is ridiculous that amateur citizens have a lower barrier to the use of deadly force than trained law enforcement officers have.

Saying you can't shoot unarmed people seems like a reasonable restriction.

unless you attack someone with a "weaponized sidewalk" like Zimmerman.

sadly yo may be right. Im still gonna keep my guns in the house and I do carry when Im on a job in back country. Ive had to scare bears but a few times (I NEVER go into big back country like in Argentina or Canadia by myself ... NEVER)
Anybody who does is either looking for trouble or is nutz.

Carrying a gun around in my neighborhood--NEVER.(If Zimmerman wouldn't have been armed , he wouldn't have been stalking the kid )

sadly yo may be right. Im still gonna keep my guns in the house and I do carry when Im on a job in back country. Ive had to scare bears but a few times (I NEVER go into big back country like in Argentina or Canadia by myself ... NEVER)
Anybody who does is either looking for trouble or is nutz.

Carrying a gun around in my neighborhood--NEVER.(If Zimmerman wouldn't have been armed , he wouldn't have been stalking the kid )

When I owned guns I kept having reasons to take them out, although I never shot at somebody. Now that I don't own one these situations never arise - Knock on wood.

Categorically, I'm against SYG laws. I need to think some more about the states that do allow someone to shoot in self-defense if someone is put in a life-and-death situation while the other person is equally armed. How and who determines these criteria if there is no neutral eye-witness? Seems next to impossible to ascertain without an eye witness.

Also, in the case of a trained cop in a shoot-out ... when possible, the cop is trained to warn first, then should fire a warning shot where possible before finally using deadly force.

Clearly (to me) the numbers don't lie; however, some interpretation might be in order. How much has gun ownership increased at the same time as the amount of killings has gone from 12 to 36.

Farmerman the big wussy!

This SYG law is so loose the jury couldn't make a decision based on current law. Remarkably, if Zimmerman had been convicted of any of the charges there would be grounds for appeal. I don't think the right to bear arms should be changed, but since you can't legislate state of mind we certainly should have background checks. I own weapons, but they never leave the house. If I had to travel the places that farmerman travels, I would be stupid not to carry a weapon. One of my old co-workers shared a story he remembered vividly from his childhood. He grew up in a remote spot in North Dakota, and recalled a night the entire family was in the house but were being threatened by wolves. The animals were starving and desperate, were circling the home and his father had to reload over and over to either kill or discourage the wolves. I honestly don't remember how this came about, I was so overwhelmed by the idea wolves could actually be at your door, intent on eating. His father would have been irresponsible if he didn't have the weapons.




However, in a gated community, if you need a security watch, hire professionals. When my sons were Trayvon's age and younger, I warned then to pay attention to strangers who might be following them or approach them. If one was alone, I would have told them to avoid contact with any stranger who was following in the dark. If that idiot had not had a gun he wouldn't have followed the boy. But if he had followed unarmed, possibly the worst thing that happened would have been an angry confrontation the child could have reported to his father. Trayvon happened to be on his own ground as well, just not armed.

Sorry about the rambling, but to answer the original question, Stand Your Ground is a very bad law.

You've got a long long long way to go before you could ever consider the US a civilized country, Farmer.

Civilized countries don't slaughter millions of people, all the while pretending that they are trying to save them.

Civilized countries don't spread chemical weapons on anyone, they don't scatter cluster bombs around for little kids to play with, they don't spread depleted uranium around.

Civilized countries don't steal from their neighboring countries, again, all the while pretending their are helping the oppressed.

But you go on, pretending you're a caring, concerned individual.

Was your co-worker's name Little Red Riding Hood?

Gullible much!

And right on cue, another reason the ignore button is sooooo useful.

Peeking again, eh, notsoglitteringbag.