"STAND YOUR GROUND"--IS IT A GOOD LAW??

@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

Its a LOBBY for manufacturers of guns.

Nonsense. You know very well that the NRA is no such thing.

The NRA represents the moderate gun rights supporters. The gun manufacturers are represented by a different lobby.

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@oralloy,

If it sounds like a duck, quacks like a duck, and hangs around with other ducks, Id believe its a duck.

According to a wiki post:

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The NRA is designated by the IRS as a 501(c)(4) with four 501(c)(3) charitable subsidiaries and a Section 527 lobbying group segregated fund: The NRA Political Victory Fund. The NRA controls through its board of trustees the following 501(c)(3) organizations: NRA Civil Rights Defense Fund, NRA Foundation Inc., NRA Special Contribution Fund (dba NRA Whittington Center), and NRA Freedom Action Foundation.[3][6][7][8] The NRA is also the parent organization of affiliated groups such as the Institute for Legislative Action (ILA).

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@farmerman,

I do not know the fine points of tax exempt organizations, but the NRA's ILA very specifically does not accept donations that are tax deductable to the donor. Well, wiki. . . .

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@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

He was the one that survived to tell the story.

The alternative is that people have to be fearful that if they save themselves, the government will send them to jail or make their life miserable.

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@Brandon9000,

if they take a life, yes.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

If it sounds like a duck, quacks like a duck, and hangs around with other ducks, Id believe its a duck.

The NRA sounds and acts like they represent moderate civil rights activists.

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@Rockhead,

Rockhead wrote:

if they take a life, yes.

No one is going to allow you to do away with our freedom.

The NRA will protect our rights.

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@oralloy,

freedom to shoot people you are afraid of is not freedom.

it's licensed bigotry.

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@Rockhead,

Rockhead wrote:

freedom to shoot people you are afraid of is not freedom.
it's licensed bigotry.

Maybe so, but what we're talking about here is self defense against someone who is actively attacking you.

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@oralloy,

not the way the law is written...

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@Rockhead,

Rockhead wrote:

not the way the law is written...

I disagree with that characterization of the law. I think it only covers actual attacks against people.

I note that we're discussing facts and not exchanging insults. Isn't this much better and more enjoyable? (I think it is at least.)

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@Brandon9000,

There has to be a higher standard to see that justice works for both individuals. The guy with the gun always has the last say and we often have only his word for it. The law is tailor made for such people to get away with murder.

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@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

There has to be a higher standard to see that justice works for both individuals. The guy with the gun always has the last say and we often have only his word for it. The law is tailor made for such people to get away with murder.

That's why the police conduct investigations and gather evidence to see if it really was a case of self defense.

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@oralloy,

and that's why you make sure the victim is dead.

so you can tell the police a story that gets you off free...

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@Rockhead,

Rockhead wrote:

and that's why you make sure the victim is dead.
so you can tell the police a story that gets you off free...

I think that unless it was actually self defense (thereby generating physical evidence indicating self defense), that is not likely to be a successful strategy.

Could it work now and then? Possibly. But not often enough for it to become a desirable tactic.

I've mentioned this before in other threads, but if we had better security camera coverage (along the lines of what the UK has), we'd have a lot more evidence to tell us what happened in cases like this.

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@oralloy,

I saw where you advocated a big brother state.

I disagree with that philosophy...

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@oralloy,

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NRA sounds and acts like they represent moderate civil rights activists

Im a lifelong gun owner and the NRA does NOT spek for me the way they are presently constituted. Ever since the LaPierre and Heston days, they've become an arm of the gun industry and the GOP extreme right wing. That's a FACT Jack. I remember when the NRA was primarily about sportsmen and gun safety in the field. When they began speaking for a political party and were heavily financing anti reasonable gun laws, they became a mere special interest group that turned off many gun owners and hunters.

(The LAw Enforcement agencies of the US are mostly spokesmen against the NRA's extreme positions .

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@farmerman,

PS, if its facts you want, so do I. Where is the evidence about Martin being stoned or conclusively evidenced to be going to get stoned??

I like that you are your appealing to logic for all others but you ignore its lacking in your own discourses. I hear a lot pf nyah nyah from you when things aren't swallowed hook and line.

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@Rockhead,

Rockhead wrote:

Florida is just the leader of 25 other states...

http://www.ibtimes.com/stand-your-ground-26-us-states-have-shoot-first-laws-1351127

Thanx for the maps, Rocky.
Thay r very beautiful; make me proud to be an American!
Characterizing them as "shoot first" laws
is both dishonestly disingenuous and inaccurate.
Thay apply to situations wherein a citizen finds himself in the
process of becoming a victim of violent crime. He need not wait
until he has been successfully murdered b4 he begins his lawful defense of his life
(as supporters of gun control prefer).

This is implicit in the 2nd Amendment, as recognized by the USSC in DC v. HELLER 554 U.S. 570 (2008)

wherein the Supreme Court said (inter alia):

The US Supreme Court wrote:

Putting all of these textual elements together,
we find that they guarantee the individual right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation

[Emphasis has been added by David.]

David

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@Rockhead,

Seems that the Stand your Ground LAws may interfere with your 1st Amendment Rights in certain states.

Most of the Anarchist Gun freaks don't really give a **** about anyone other than themselves

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