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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Mon 19 Aug, 2013 11:53 am
@Walter Hinteler,
But now ..
Quote:
Earnest admits that the White House was given a "heads up" over Miranda's detention yesterday.

"We had an indication it was likely to occur but it's not something we requested," he says.

Pressed further, he says the US was told Miranda would be detained before he arrived at Heathrow airport in London. Earnest refuses to say whether Miranda was on a terror watch-list either in Britain or in the US.

He would not comment on whether the US discouraged the UK from holding Miranda before his detention.
revelette
 
  4  
Mon 19 Aug, 2013 12:06 pm
@JPB,
A little embarrassed but thank you both. My position has evolved a little in this particular debate, but not because I have wanted it to.
revelette
 
  3  
Mon 19 Aug, 2013 12:09 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Kinda weird that Britain would give the US a heads up first. I guess that answers the question on if they (the British police) knew beforehand the reason David Miranda was meeting the US film maker.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Mon 19 Aug, 2013 12:09 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
I've just transcribed Earnest's remarks when he was pressed to define the nature of the 'heads up' the US was given re David Miranda being detained. Asked if the 'heads up' was given before Miranda was stopped, Earnest said:

"It probably wouldn't be a heads up if they had told us about it after the detainment."

A reporter then asked: "So it's fair to say say they told you they were going to do this when they saw that he was on the manifest?"

"I think that is an accurate interpretation of what a heads up is," Earnest said.

CNN White House correspondent Jessica Yellin then quizzed Earnest as to whether the US obtained information from the electronic equipment seized by the US government:

"I'm just not in a position to talk to you about the conversations between British law enforcement officials and American law enforcement officials," Earnest said.

Yellin followed up: "But you can't rule out that the US has obtained this material."

"I'm not in a position to do that right now," Earnest said.
Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Mon 19 Aug, 2013 12:12 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/a_zps45e47fc6.jpg
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revelette
 
  1  
Mon 19 Aug, 2013 12:13 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Since the deputy press secretary was honest enough to admit the "heads up;" perhaps they are telling the truth about not requesting he be detained.
Walter Hinteler
 
  5  
Mon 19 Aug, 2013 12:14 pm
@revelette,
Could be. They said a couple of days ago that they didn't spy on Americans.
revelette
 
  1  
Mon 19 Aug, 2013 12:27 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
If it is not true, I am sure like the rest it will come out.
BillRM
 
  1  
Mon 19 Aug, 2013 12:32 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
C
Quote:
NN White House correspondent Jessica Yellin then quizzed Earnest as to whether the US obtained information from the electronic equipment seized by the US government:


Assuming they encrypting the devices with something of the strength of truecrypt and used a nice long pass phase good luck in even NSA breaking the encrypting.

Hell if it was me I would also had used a key file and send it by other means just to added to the fun.

Hell to be very very evil the information the encrypted would be protecting would be empty files so they could spend millions trying to crack into worthless containers.

Frankly it seems very strange that anyone would give such information to be carry by such a very high profile person.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Mon 19 Aug, 2013 12:32 pm
@revelette,
Indeed. Most probably, when someone in the UK has to defend why he gave orders to start this ...
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 19 Aug, 2013 12:34 pm
@revelette,
The secrecy has done more damage to president Obama than by admitting long ago that laws were broken and it will stop immediately. They let it drag on for too long, and this damage will never allow Obama to outlive this shame.

How many more ways can our government be broken?

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Frank Apisa
 
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Mon 19 Aug, 2013 12:38 pm
@revelette,
revelette wrote:

A little embarrassed but thank you both. My position has evolved a little in this particular debate, but not because I have wanted it to.


I've been following your give and take here, Revelette.

You are a lot closer to the truth than some of the people taking shots at you.

Snowden DESERVES a fair trial...on charges he stole secret documents and broke several federal laws.

If exhonerated, he deserves to go free and live his life as he was before. If convicted, he deserves the full punishment the conviction calls for.

I doubt he is a traitor...and I know damn well he is not a hero. But he apparently has broken some serious laws...and should be held to account for doing that...America-hater's rhetoric notwithstanding.
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revelette
 
  2  
Mon 19 Aug, 2013 12:43 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
There is a chance Britain can't blame this on the bad ole US and has to take some slack of their own.
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Mon 19 Aug, 2013 12:49 pm
@revelette,
He left Berlin-Tegel with flight BA981 without (known) problems ... I bet, we would have liked to the same as they did in Heathrow, but unfortunately it would have been illegal here ...
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Mon 19 Aug, 2013 12:50 pm
Quote:
Summary: US given 'heads up' before Miranda detention
Here's what we know after that White House press briefing:

• The US was given a "heads up" before David Miranda, partner of the Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald, was detained in London. ... ...
• The White House said it did not give the order for Miranda to be detained, but nevertheless was kept aware of developments. ... ...
• Earnest would not deny that the US had obtained access to Miranda's electronic material. ... ...
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revelette
 
  1  
Mon 19 Aug, 2013 12:53 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
You are making assumptions not based on much evidence.
JPB
 
  3  
Mon 19 Aug, 2013 12:54 pm
@revelette,
I somehow think there will be plenty blame to spread around, even if it's simply that no one within the USG tried to dissuade the Brits from taking this really, really stupid action.
Walter Hinteler
 
  5  
Mon 19 Aug, 2013 01:21 pm
@revelette,
Not only Laura Poitras lives in Berlin, but Jacob Appelbaum (a privacy activist who was a volunteer with WikiLeaks, has also been filmed by Poitras) as well.

Seems, they feel safe here: British and U.S. investigators don't have a direct access, without legal procedures against the journalists being opened.

(Poitras has been repeatedly detained at border.)
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RABEL222
 
  1  
Mon 19 Aug, 2013 01:25 pm
@JPB,
So on one hand the U S of A isent supposed to stick its nose in English business unless of course someone wants a reason to bleet bad bad U S of A. Isent that called " cant win for loseing ".
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Mon 19 Aug, 2013 01:26 pm
@JPB,
http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/a_zps376f8746.jpg
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