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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 8 Aug, 2013 11:36 am
@revelette,
It didn't used to be that way, and it's gotten worse since Obama became president.

Respect for the president is now an oxymoron.
BillRM
 
  -2  
Thu 8 Aug, 2013 03:15 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
It didn't used to be that way, and it's gotten worse since Obama became president.

Respect for the president is now an oxymoron.


You right a lot of people who voted for the man had been shocked over his behaviors such as the massive secret spying on the American people he had put into place. This from a former constitution professor of all people.

To say nothing of joining Al Sharpton in pumping up a open and shut case of self defense into a civil right matter base on the race of the criminal.
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hingehead
 
  2  
Thu 8 Aug, 2013 05:17 pm
Lavabit
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lavabit is an email service founded in 2004.

Lavabit was founded by Texas-based programmers who formed Nerdshack LLC, renamed Lavabit LLC the next year, prompted by privacy concerns about Gmail, Google's free, widely-used email service, and their use of the content of users' email to generate advertisements and marketing data. Lavabit offers significant privacy protection for their users' email, including asymmetric encryption, a level of encryption that is difficult for even intelligence agencies to crack. Ghacks called it "probably the most secure, private email service right now". As of July 2013, they had about 350,000 users and offered free and paid accounts with levels of storage ranging from 128 megabytes to 8 gigabytes.[1][2]

Lavabit received media attention in July 2013 when it was revealed that National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden was using the Lavabit web address [email protected] to email human rights lawyers and activists to a press conference during his confinement at Sheremetyevo International Airport in Moscow.[3]

On August 8, 2013, Lavabit shut down and their webpage was replaced by a message from owner Ladar Levison. He wrote that he was legally unable to explain why he shut down the service and solicited donations to "fight for the Constitution" in the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit. Wired speculated that Levison was fighting a warrant or national security letter seeking customer information under extraordinary circumstances, as Lavabit had complied with at least one routine warrant in the past.[3][4]

From the current Lavabit home page
https://lavabit.com/


https://lavabit.com/images/logo.gif
My Fellow Users,

I have been forced to make a difficult decision: to become complicit in crimes against the American people or walk away from nearly ten years of hard work by shutting down Lavabit. After significant soul searching, I have decided to suspend operations. I wish that I could legally share with you the events that led to my decision. I cannot. I feel you deserve to know what’s going on--the first amendment is supposed to guarantee me the freedom to speak out in situations like this. Unfortunately, Congress has passed laws that say otherwise. As things currently stand, I cannot share my experiences over the last six weeks, even though I have twice made the appropriate requests.

What’s going to happen now? We’ve already started preparing the paperwork needed to continue to fight for the Constitution in the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals. A favorable decision would allow me resurrect Lavabit as an American company.

This experience has taught me one very important lesson: without congressional action or a strong judicial precedent, I would _strongly_ recommend against anyone trusting their private data to a company with physical ties to the United States.

Sincerely,
Ladar Levison
Owner and Operator, Lavabit LLC

Defending the constitution is expensive! Help us by donating to the Lavabit Legal Defense Fund here.
JTT
 
  0  
Thu 8 Aug, 2013 06:18 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
It didn't used to be that way, and it's gotten worse since Obama became president.

Respect for the president is now an oxymoron.


And you still haven't apologized to E Snowden for calling him a dummy.

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RABEL222
 
  1  
Thu 8 Aug, 2013 07:05 pm
@cicerone imposter,
That should be trillions.
Quote:
and costs our country billions
RABEL222
 
  2  
Thu 8 Aug, 2013 07:10 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Come on Frank. Are you saying that there is a real difference between politicians. Most of them say and do whatever is necessary get elected to future office. Even if their statements of fact are directly opposite of one another.
JTT
 
  1  
Thu 8 Aug, 2013 07:12 pm
@revelette,
Quote:
Why hasn't the director of national intelligence been held accountable for his misconduct?


His "misconduct"!!! Jesus, it was a felony, was it not?

How come we don't see any headlines like this for Bush, Cheney, Bush, Obama and all their little minions?
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JTT
 
  0  
Thu 8 Aug, 2013 07:18 pm
@Thomas,
Quote:
In the interest of communicating clearly, can you give us a few examples ...


Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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JTT
 
  0  
Thu 8 Aug, 2013 07:27 pm
@revelette,
Quote:
I am not sure it is such a good thing for the public to know exactly how the government is tracking down terrorist suspects. If we know, then they know and can regroup and go around it


As long as you stay in this position of denying reality, Rev, the "terrorist" acts will never end and the US government will only get much much much worse in restricting freedom. And actually, they like it this way. They are giddy that the people of the US have surrendered to them all this power.

The sole cause of these actions against the US and its interests and its people can be laid right at the feet of the US and its citizens.

Quote:
Noam Chomsky: The phrase 'war on terrorism' should always be used in quotes, cause there can't possibly be a war on terrorism, it's impossible. The reason is it's led by one of the worst terrorist states in the world, in fact it's led by the only state in the world which has been condemned by the highest international authorities for international terrorism, namely the World Court and Security Council, except that the US vetoed the resolution.


Do you know what "state" Professor Chomsky is referring to?

Do you know what action it was that caused the US to be named as "the only state in the world which has been condemned by the highest international authorities for international terrorism, namely the World Court and Security Council"?
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JTT
 
  0  
Thu 8 Aug, 2013 08:09 pm
Wooooowooooowoooo, watch out kiddies, your government wants to warn you about more boogeymen.

http://news.msn.com/us/us-embassy-closures-crazy-pants-analyst-says

US embassy closures 'crazy-pants,' analyst says

After the State Department temporarily closed two dozen overseas posts in face of a "specific" al-Qaida threat, experts question the move's breadth and wisdom.

WASHINGTON — U.S. officials insisted Tuesday that extraordinary security measures for nearly two dozen diplomatic posts were to thwart an "immediate, specific threat," a claim questioned by counterterrorism experts, who note that the alert covers an incongruous set of nations from the Middle East to an island off the southern coast of Africa.

Analysts don't dispute the Obama administration's narrative that it's gleaned intelligence on a plot involving al-Qaida's most active affiliate, the Yemen-based Arabian Peninsula branch. That would explain why most U.S. posts in the Persian Gulf are on lockdown, including the U.S. Embassy in Yemen, which on Tuesday airlifted most of its personnel to Germany in an "ordered departure," the government's euphemism for an evacuation.

But how, then, does it make sense for the State Department to close embassies as far afield as Mauritius or Madagascar, where there's been no visible jihadist activity? And why is it that countries that weathered numerous terrorist attacks — Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq, for example — were excluded or allowed to reopen quickly?

At Tuesday's State Department briefing, spokeswoman Jen Psaki said there were plans to keep 19 posts closed to the public through Saturday. But she had no answers when a reporter asked, "How did the countries in sub-Saharan Africa and the Indian Ocean get into this?"

Video: Obama talks terrorism, embassy closures on Leno

Related: Some embassies to remain closed through Saturday

"We make decisions post by post," Psaki said. "That's something that is constantly evaluated at a high level through the interagency process."

If ordinary Americans are confused, they're in good company. Analysts who have devoted their careers to studying al-Qaida and U.S. counterterrorism strategy can't really make sense of it, either. There's general agreement that the diffuse list of potential targets has to do with either specific connections authorities are tracking or places that might lack the defenses to ward off an attack. Beyond that, however, even the experts are stumped.

Take this sampling of reactions from prominent al-Qaida observers:

"It's crazy-pants — you can quote me," said Will McCants, a former State Department adviser on government extremism who this month joins the Brookings Saban Center as the director of its project on U.S. relations with the Islamic world.

"We just showed our hand, so now they're obviously going to change their position on when and where" to attack, said Nada Bakos, a former CIA analyst who was part of the team that hunted Osama bin Laden for years.

"It's not completely random, but most people are, like, 'What?'" said Aaron Zelin, who researches militants for the Washington Institute for Near East Policy and blogs about them at Jihadology.net

"I'm not going to argue that it's not willy-nilly, but it's hard for me to come down too critical because I simply don't know their reasoning," said Daveed Gartenstein-Ross, a counterterrorism specialist at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, a Washington research institute.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 8 Aug, 2013 09:06 pm
@RABEL222,
You do know what you're talking about.

Quote:
Study puts total price tag for Iraq, Afghanistan wars at more than $4 trillion
By Jeremy Herb - 03/29/13 11:50 AM ET

The final cost of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars will be between $4 and $6 trillion — and most of those costs have yet to be paid, according to a new study out of Harvard University.

The report from Harvard Kennedy School professor Linda Bilmes finds the Iraq and Afghanistan wars together will be the most expensive in U.S. history when long-term medical and disability costs for service members are factored in.

“The legacy of decisions taken during the Iraq and Afghanistan wars will dominate future federal budgets for decades to come,” Bilmes wrote.

The study says that the United States has already spent nearly $2 trillion on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. But that bill is only “a fraction” of the total war costs, Bilmes wrote.
“The single largest accrued liability of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is the cost of providing medical care and disability benefits to war veterans,” she said. “Historically, the bill for these costs has come due many decades later.”


You know what's really funny? The GOP wants to blame Obama for the federal deficit and overspending!

They want to cut government spending to the bone NOW.

TNCFS
JTT
 
  0  
Thu 8 Aug, 2013 09:25 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Oh, the propaganda!

Study puts total price tag for Iraq, Afghanistan wars illegal invasions/war crimes at more than $4 trillion

How much of y'all's hard earned dollars went to help slaughter hundreds of thousands?
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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Fri 9 Aug, 2013 02:47 am
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

Come on Frank. Are you saying that there is a real difference between politicians. Most of them say and do whatever is necessary get elected to future office. Even if their statements of fact are directly opposite of one another.


I'm saying that if you are interested in protecting and expanding safety net programs...voting for Republicans is a very bad bet.

I am not a Democrat, but the agenda I favor has a much better chance with Democrats than with Republicans. The parties and the politicians of the parties are far from alike.
revelette
 
  1  
Fri 9 Aug, 2013 06:58 am
If at the end of the day some of spying tools and programs gets rolled back and more limits gets put in place on what NSA is allowed to do, it would be fine with me. My only point has been that NSA has the power to do most of these things by the power that congress has given it of which we vote in. If we want to change it, then we should vote for people who want to change the things in those powers that we disagree with.

For instance on the email thing, NSA was granted the power to eavesdrop on domestic soil as long as the target was a non citizen abroad.

Quote:
Government officials say the cross-border surveillance was authorized by a 2008 law, the FISA Amendments Act, in which Congress approved eavesdropping on domestic soil without warrants as long as the “target” was a noncitizen abroad. Voice communications are not included in that surveillance, the senior official said.


source

So that means that if at some point an American citizen had email conversations with a non citizen abroad who is a person of interest to NSA, then NSA can open their emails without a warrant. If we want to change that, then we got to work to change it by making congress change it. If they won't, then elect people who will.
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revelette
 
  1  
Fri 9 Aug, 2013 07:13 am
I guess I am starting to parse, but, this is what the president said on the tonight show.

Quote:
We don't have a domestic spying program. What we do have are some mechanisms where we can track a phone number or an email address that we know is connected to some sort of terrorist threat. And that information is useful. But what I've said before I want to make sure I repeat, and that is we should be skeptical about the potential encroachments on privacy. None of the revelations show that government has actually abused these powers, but they're pretty significant powers.


source

So I am wondering about the keywords which track the emails connected to foreigners of interest (don't know how to phrase it). Do they track the emails and IP addresses only or do they actually open them up?
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JPB
 
  2  
Fri 9 Aug, 2013 07:26 am
@hingehead,
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130809/01204324120/another-secure-email-service-shuts-down-to-avoid-having-to-do-so-later.shtml

Another one follows suit and destroys its servers before the govt can demand them.
RABEL222
 
  2  
Fri 9 Aug, 2013 09:48 am
@Frank Apisa,
True. But the republican party of today is so far to the right that Eisenhower, and Goldwater would be considered liberal. The democrates havent had a true liberal as president in years. They talk the game to get into office but are middle of the road when they get into office. I am a liberal, and resent the label put on us by Rush and the nutcases like him. The ultra rich thieves like the Koch brothers and their ilk have brainwashed the populace into believeing that liberal is the same as crazy and we are now suffering the effect of voting and believeing in conservative beliefs like carrying a gun on your hip in a western style holster. When Dodge city was at its wildest they made you hang your gun on a post in order to get into town.
BillRM
 
  2  
Fri 9 Aug, 2013 09:50 am
@JPB,
Having any, in cloud information, that is not encrypted before it leave your computer is unwise but it is with special note of being very very unwise to trust any company that need to follow US or UK laws.

It seems that the fourth amendment is becoming a dead letter under the watch of a former constitutional professor!!!!!!!!!!!

No files of mine that I am not willing to share with the whole damn world is ever put up on microsoft skydrive for example unless it is very strongly encrypted first.

Oh the first thing I do when I get a new hard drive is to encrypted it also as you can no longer count on the courts or the forth amendment to keep your information protected from the whims of any government officer.
Mame
 
  3  
Fri 9 Aug, 2013 09:56 am
@BillRM,
How paranoid does one have to be to encrypt files? What could possibly be worth encrypting?
JTT
 
  -1  
Fri 9 Aug, 2013 09:58 am
@RABEL222,
Quote:
But the republican party of today is so far to the right that Eisenhower, and Goldwater would be considered liberal.


Rather,

the republican party of today is so far to the right that Eisenhower, and Goldwater would be considered minor fascists.
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