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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Wed 7 Aug, 2013 03:28 am
"Google it...and you will find out!"

Why is it you people think everything is a lie...except stuff that makes Obama and the government of the United States look like petty fascists and tyrants?

There are things done in the name of governance that are both necessary and disgusting. That probably is the way thing have always been...and the way they will always be. Most of us are damn lucky there are people willing to do those things, because if it hadn't been done, many of us would be living in conditions a hell of a lot worse than the supposed conditions in which Manning was kept.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Wed 7 Aug, 2013 03:51 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
"Google it...and you will find out!"

Something like this ..
http://i40.tinypic.com/abm17d.jpg http://i44.tinypic.com/2eauqgm.jpg
Frank Apisa wrote:
Why is it you people think everything is a lie...except stuff that makes Obama and the government of the United States look like petty fascists and tyrants?

Because of googling ....
JTT
 
  0  
Wed 7 Aug, 2013 04:53 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Frank Apisa wrote:
"Google it...and you will find out!"

Something like this ..
http://i40.tinypic.com/abm17d.jpghttp://i44.tinypic.com/2eauqgm.jpg
Frank Apisa wrote:
Why is it you people think everything is a lie...except stuff that makes Obama and the government of the United States look like petty fascists and tyrants?


Walter: Because of googling ....

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Sorry for bumping that important information, Walter, but this was just such a brilliant response that I had to compliment you on it.

Frank will just ignore it anyway and go off on some meteoric tangent.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Wed 7 Aug, 2013 08:09 am
Russian senator fundraises for Edward Snowden's work on personal data
Quote:
Russian senator Ruslan Gattarov has begun a campaign to raise funds for Edward Snowden's investigation into the security of Russians' personal data, claiming that the whistleblower is running out of money.

Gattarov, a member of the ruling United Russia party, has said he will open a bank account and create a website to gather donations for the National Security Agency leaker, who was last week granted temporary asylum in Russia. Gattarov told the Izvestiya newspaper that the domain name helpsnowden.ru had been registered and volunteers from several IT companies were developing the website.

The site will be available at helpsnowden.net for international donors. Neither website was working on Wednesday.
[...]
On Tuesday, Kucherena [Snowden's lawyer]said that Snowden had registered his new place of residence with the authorities, as all foreigners must do, although the location is being kept secret. He has already been offered a job by Pavel Durov, the founder of Russia's most popular social network VKontakte.
[...]
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JPB
 
  2  
Wed 7 Aug, 2013 11:38 am
Back to tangled webs...

Quote:
...why did Putin take on this massive headache?

First, because he can. Putin could simply not resist an act that would not only embarrass Washington, but remind it that Russia, not America, is now in the driver’s seat of their east-west relationship.

Second, because most reliable opinion polls here suggest a majority of Russians think Snowden should be given permanent asylum in Russia. That means Snowden’s presence could be a vote-winner for Putin, who already has eyes on a fourth term in office, after elections in 2018.

Third, because doing so would be popular among America’s adversaries. As Lukyanov puts it: ‘’If Putin cares about nothing else, he cares about how the Third World thinks about Russia. And the Third World sees Snowden as a hero who spilled the beans on imperialist America. Putin is sensitive to that. There’s too much at stake not to be.”

Finally, Putin saw a chance to strike at the heart of the US-Russia rivalry – the fight over each other’s human rights record.
In this context, Snowden is Putin’s early Christmas present. He can hold Snowden up as a beacon for those who speak the truth about government abuse of individual freedoms- even as he cracks down on gays, NGOs, and all forms of opposition. More
JPB
 
  2  
Wed 7 Aug, 2013 11:42 am
@JPB,
More from the same link

Quote:
After Snowden fled to Moscow from Hong Kong in June, Putin quickly signaled that he had no time for the former intelligence contractor, and expressed hope he would soon continue onward to Havana.

Misreading Putin’s position, Washington chose to treat Snowden like a chess piece, blocking all his possible next moves by issuing arrest warrants and closing off airspace.

It was an understandable gambit. But Putin did exactly what the White House hoped he would not do.

Indeed, Russia’s Federal Migration Service not only approved Snowden’s request for temporary one-year asylum, but also processed the paperwork in record time – barely two weeks, compared to the usual wait of between three and six months.


Emphasis added
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Wed 7 Aug, 2013 12:06 pm
@JPB,
I think, in this sandbox game the USA definitely are dealing a poor hand.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Wed 7 Aug, 2013 12:09 pm
Obama cancelled that meeting with Putin!
JPB
 
  2  
Wed 7 Aug, 2013 12:09 pm
Brazilian Senators Don 'Snowden' Masks To Protest NSA Surveillance
Quote:
It still seems like defenders of this program don't realize just how big an impact the revelations are having around the globe. Ratcheting up the silly rhetoric around Snowden hasn't helped matters, other than turning Snowden into much more of a cult hero around the globe (including for many inside the US). The more the US makes a big deal about Snowden and where he's living, the more desperate and arbitrary the US government looks. Politicians in key countries not just supporting Snowden but wearing masks with his face on it shows just how badly the US government is losing the battle for public perception on this issue.
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JPB
 
  2  
Wed 7 Aug, 2013 12:11 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

Obama cancelled that meeting with Putin!


Childish playground reaction.

"He took our ball and I want it back. Give me my ball!!!"

<stomp, stomp, stomp>
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Wed 7 Aug, 2013 12:12 pm

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BREAKING NEWS Wednesday, August 7, 2013 9:36 AM EDT

Obama Cancels Meeting With Putin as Snowden Adds to Tensions President Obama has canceled a planned summit with the Russian president, Vladimir V. Putin, senior administration officials said Wednesday, a response to frustration with the Russian government for refusing to send Edward J. Snowden to the United States to face charges of leaking national security secrets.

The move is also a reflection of growing tensions between the two countries on a series of other issues, including Mr. Putin’s continuing support of Bashar al-Assad, the president of Syria.

Mr. Obama is scheduled to be in St. Petersburg for a meeting of the Group of 20 set for Sept. 5 and 6, and had planned to go from there to meet Mr. Putin.




Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Wed 7 Aug, 2013 12:13 pm
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

Obama cancelled that meeting with Putin!


Childish playground reaction.

"He took our ball and I want it back. Give me my ball!!!"

<stomp, stomp, stomp>


I think your reaction to the news was a hell of a lot more childish than what you are suggesting about Obama's reaction.

In any case, lots of political maneuvering borders on childish.
JPB
 
  3  
Wed 7 Aug, 2013 12:15 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Beginning by attempting to block his requests for asylum by removing his ability to travel and, most definitely, by getting friendly nations to force Bolivia's president to land in Austria and submit to his plane being searched.

Putin never wanted him in Russia. Now it looks like he may be there for the long haul.
engineer
 
  3  
Wed 7 Aug, 2013 12:26 pm
@Frank Apisa,
But this looks particularly childish. There is no benefit to getting Snowden back in the US except to have some revenge. Because revenge has been denied or possibly just delayed the President of the US is going to throw a hissy fit? Talk about disproportionate response.
JTT
 
  1  
Wed 7 Aug, 2013 12:28 pm
@Frank Apisa,
... a response to frustration with the Russian government for refusing to send Edward J. Snowden to the United States to face charges of leaking national security secrets describing US war crimes, terrorism and felonies.

Knowing you as we do, one would think that you'd at least be interested in a degree of honesty, Frank. Smile
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JTT
 
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Wed 7 Aug, 2013 12:32 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Mr. Obama is scheduled to be in St. Petersburg for a meeting of the Group of 20 set for Sept. 5 and 6, and had planned to go from there to meet Mr. Putin.


Is Obama gonna turn up his nose at the G20 meeting - "I'm not talking to you, Vladimir."
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Wed 7 Aug, 2013 12:55 pm
@engineer,
Small minds make mountains out of mole hills.
They seem to have forgotten the more important issues facing our country - where more attention is required.

Seems the US is going downhill very fast without much hope to recover.

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 7 Aug, 2013 01:01 pm
@JPB,
On 2013/07/23 NYT wrote:
“The United States is repeatedly refusing Russia to extradite individuals, to hold them criminally liable, including those accused of committing serious or heinous crimes,” Sergei Gorlenko, the acting chief of the prosecutor general’s extradition office, told the Interfax news agency. “We have been denied the extradition of murderers, bandits and bribetakers.”

The Interior Ministry accused the United States of “double standards” in demanding Mr. Snowden’s return. The prosecutor general’s office said the United States had refused to extradite about 20 suspects over the past decade, citing the lack of an extradition treaty — the same reason senior Kremlin officials have given in saying they have no plan to repatriate Mr. Snowden.
Source

On 2013/07/22 RT wrote:
Akhmadov, a former officer in the Soviet Union’s Red Army, joined the militant movement in the Russian Republic of Chechnya in the early 1990s, fighting for some time along with the notorious terrorist Shamil Basayev. He is wanted in Russia over his connection to crimes committed by the insurgents.
[...]
After Moscow re-established control over Chechnya, he settled in the US in 2003 and sought political asylum there. He received it a year later, despite objections from the US Department of Homeland Security.
Source


You can call the situation now "Cold War" ... again.
Or just simply: a missed opportunity.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Wed 7 Aug, 2013 01:39 pm
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

But this looks particularly childish. There is no benefit to getting Snowden back in the US except to have some revenge. Because revenge has been denied or possibly just delayed the President of the US is going to throw a hissy fit? Talk about disproportionate response.


I do not think it to be disproportionate...not at all. It is the kind of thing countries do in these situations all the time...ya know, like boycotting an Olympics or such.

Snowden has to be returned to face trial...or the US might as well close up. If you want to think of a trial as "revenge"...that is your right.

Respectfully as possible, Engineer, to suppose there is "no benefit to getting Snowden back in the US except to have some revenge"...is naive.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Wed 7 Aug, 2013 01:42 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

On 2013/07/23 NYT wrote:
“The United States is repeatedly refusing Russia to extradite individuals, to hold them criminally liable, including those accused of committing serious or heinous crimes,” Sergei Gorlenko, the acting chief of the prosecutor general’s extradition office, told the Interfax news agency. “We have been denied the extradition of murderers, bandits and bribetakers.”

The Interior Ministry accused the United States of “double standards” in demanding Mr. Snowden’s return. The prosecutor general’s office said the United States had refused to extradite about 20 suspects over the past decade, citing the lack of an extradition treaty — the same reason senior Kremlin officials have given in saying they have no plan to repatriate Mr. Snowden.
Source

On 2013/07/22 RT wrote:
Akhmadov, a former officer in the Soviet Union’s Red Army, joined the militant movement in the Russian Republic of Chechnya in the early 1990s, fighting for some time along with the notorious terrorist Shamil Basayev. He is wanted in Russia over his connection to crimes committed by the insurgents.
[...]
After Moscow re-established control over Chechnya, he settled in the US in 2003 and sought political asylum there. He received it a year later, despite objections from the US Department of Homeland Security.
Source


You can call the situation now "Cold War" ... again.
Or just simply: a missed opportunity.


Okay...perhaps they are setting up a Rudolph Abel/Gary Powers situation. Maybe several people will be returned...and a win/win situation will prevail for the US and Russia.
 

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