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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 1 Aug, 2013 11:21 am
For those of you who disagree with me...fine.

Disagree.

I've offered my opinion on this...and I think all the "I want to protect my personal privacy" stuff is vastly overdone.

It is a complex world, folks...and I suspect many of the people arguing for less surveillance will be the first to demand to know why the government didn't do more to protect the country when the next terrorist strike occurs.

Privacy of the kind some of you people want...is a thing of the past. It is never coming back. You would do well to learn to live with it.
BillRM
 
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Thu 1 Aug, 2013 11:26 am
@Frank Apisa,
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privacy of the kind some of you people want...is a thing of the past. It is never coming back. You would do well to learn to live with it.


If the government is going to tear up the constitution it might be time to have another revolution as the government that does not obey if our founding document by which it derided it legal powers to govern is a far greater danger to the well being of the citizens then all the terrorists in the world.

Without accepting the constitutional limits they are no better then a group of hoodlums who had seized control of government power.
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 1 Aug, 2013 11:28 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
privacy of the kind some of you people want...is a thing of the past. It is never coming back. You would do well to learn to live with it.


If the government is going to tear up the constitution it might be time to have another revolution as the government that does not obey if our founding document is a far greater danger to the well being of the citizens then all the terrorists in the world.


Okay! Start one.
JTT
 
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Thu 1 Aug, 2013 11:35 am
@Frank Apisa,
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Privacy of the kind some of you people want...is a thing of the past. It is never coming back. You would do well to learn to live with it.


Heil Hitler!

(Frank goes goose stepping off)

You must have missed this, Frank. You keep ranting on and on when it is your government, the one that is turning the US into a Nazi state, after a century of turning other countries into Nazi states, that is causing all the problems.

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If I were the president, I could stop terrorist attacks against the United States in a few days.

Permanently.

I would first apologize to all the widows and orphans, the tortured and impoverished, and all the many millions of other victims of American imperialism.

Then I would announce, in all sincerity, to every corner of the world, that America's global interventions have come to an end, and inform Israel that it is no longer the 51st state of the USA but now -- oddly enough -- a foreign country.

I would then reduce the military budget by at least 90% and use the savings to pay reparations to the victims. There would be more than enough money.

One year's military budget of 330 billion dollars is equal to more than $18,000 an hour for every hour since Jesus Christ was born.

That's what I'd do on my first three days in the White House. On the fourth day, I'd be assassinated.

- William Blum

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BillRM
 
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Thu 1 Aug, 2013 11:38 am
@Frank Apisa,
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Okay! Start one


Ok meet me in the dark net people an we will start the planning as in spite of all the monitoring and the tearing apart of the constitution to do that monitoring all it good at is to ruin innocent citizens right to privacy as the knowledge of how to get around that monitoring is not that hard to get a hold of.
oralloy
 
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Thu 1 Aug, 2013 12:03 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
My question is why the hell do you care so must for the second amendment but not the fourth amendment?

It is more that I do not perceive any violation of the Fourth Amendment in this case.

When we connect to the internet and spew packets of data across the computers of the world, those packets are openly visible to anyone who cares to look at them.

It's like if two people were talking to each other on an open CB channel. If the government wanted to tune in to that CB channel and listen to the conversation, they would be free to do so.



It is easy enough to automatically encrypt most web browsing anyway, if one is so inclined (at least if you use Firefox).

HTTPS Everywhere has an internal list of addresses for encrypted links to common websites, and it will redirect all unencrypted connections to the encrypted version (even for links to third-party sites embedded within a webpage) if a site is on its list.
https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere

HTTPS Finder will test every unencrypted address to see if there is an https version of the identical address. If there is, it not only redirects to that encrypted version, it also offers to add a rule to HTTPS Everywhere so that the next time you visit that particular site you will be automatically redirected.
https://code.google.com/p/https-finder/

If you install both addons, and you let "Finder" create rules for "Everwhere" whenever it asks, a lot of your web browsing will soon be over encrypted channels.
oralloy
 
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Thu 1 Aug, 2013 12:05 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
I see that you're still fantasizing about blowing up innocent civilians.

Traitors are neither innocent nor civilian.
BillRM
 
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Thu 1 Aug, 2013 12:08 pm
This monitoring is not aim at foreign terrorists it is aim at us as in US citizens and the rest of the advance world.



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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-23/u-s-surveillance-is-not-aimed-at-terrorists.html

In a January 2012 report titled “Jihadism on the Web: A Breeding Ground for Jihad in the Modern Age,” the Dutch General Intelligence and Security Service drew a convincing picture of an Islamist Web underground centered around “core forums.” These websites are part of the Deep Web, or Undernet, the multitude of online resources not indexed by commonly used search engines.
No Data
The Netherlands’ security service, which couldn’t find recent data on the size of the Undernet, cited a 2003 study from the University of California at Berkeley as the “latest available scientific assessment.” The study found that just 0.2 percent of the Internet could be searched. The rest remained inscrutable and has probably grown since. In 2010, Google Inc. said it had indexed just 0.004 percent of the information on the Internet.
Websites aimed at attracting traffic do their best to get noticed, paying to tailor their content to the real or perceived requirements of search engines such as Google. Terrorists have no such ambitions. They prefer to lurk in the dark recesses of the Undernet.
“People who radicalise under the influence of jihadist websites often go through a number of stages,” the Dutch report said. “Their virtual activities increasingly shift to the invisible Web, their security awareness increases and their activities become more conspiratorial.”
Radicals who initially stand out on the “surface” Web quickly meet people, online or offline, who drag them deeper into the Web underground. “For many, finally finding the jihadist core forums feels like a warm b
ath after their virtual wanderings,” the report said.
When information filters to the surface Web from the core forums, it’s often by accident. Organizations such as al-Qaeda use the forums to distribute propaganda videos, which careless participants or their friends might post on social networks or YouTube.
Communication on the core forums is often encrypted. In 2012, a French court found nuclear physicist Adlene Hicheur guilty of, among other things, conspiring to commit an act of terror for distributing and using software called Asrar al-Mujahideen, or Mujahideen Secrets. The program employed various cutting-edge encryption methods, including variable stealth ciphers and RSA 2,048-bit keys.
The NSA’s Prism, according to a classified PowerPoint presentation published by the Guardian, provides access to the systems of Microsoft Corp. (and therefore Skype), Facebook Inc., Google, Apple Inc. and other U.S. Internet giants. Either these companies have provided “master keys” to decrypt their traffic - - which they deny -- or the NSA has somehow found other means.
Traditional Means
Even complete access to these servers brings U.S. authorities no closer to the core forums. These must be infiltrated by more traditional intelligence means, such as using agents posing as jihadists or by informants within terrorist organizations.
Similarly, monitoring phone calls is hardly the way to catch terrorists. They’re generally not dumb enough to use Verizon. Granted, Russia’s special services managed to kill Chechen separatist leader Dzhokhar Dudayev with a missile that homed in on his satellite-phone signal. That was in 1996. Modern-day terrorists are generally more aware of the available technology.
At best, the recent revelations concerning Prism and telephone surveillance might deter potential recruits to terrorist causes from using the most visible parts of the Internet. Beyond that, the government’s efforts are much more dangerous to civil liberties than they are to al-Qaeda and other organizations like it.
(Leonid Bershidsky is an editor and novelist based in Moscow. The opinions expressed are his own.)
To contact the writer of this article: Leonid Bershidsky at [email protected].
To contact the editor responsible for this article: Mark Whitehouse at [email protected].
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oralloy
 
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Thu 1 Aug, 2013 12:11 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
I guess if the government stated that if for national security reasons that they need to know who have firearms and who does not you would be fine with it also?

No. Under no circumstances is the government to be allowed knowledge of who has what guns.
JTT
 
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Thu 1 Aug, 2013 12:12 pm
@oralloy,
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Traitors are neither innocent nor civilian.


Normally you lie in a relentless fashion. Here you're just flat out wrong.

First, Snowden is on of the few heroes that the US has eve had. Sure there have been all the propagandist movies about all sorts of heroes, the US is big on this.

The traitors are those criminals in the Black House that continue with their terrorist activities around the globe, spy on civilians, kill innocents with amoral and illegal drone strikes, continue with their legacy of harming children, geeze, Oralboy, the list of US evil is long.
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JTT
 
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Thu 1 Aug, 2013 12:15 pm
@oralloy,
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Under no circumstances is the government to be allowed knowledge of who has what guns.


And you are a typical American hypocrite. When you are tied into this massive criminal/terrorist organization and you spout all the propaganda you've been fed, it hard to be anything but a gigantic hypocrite.
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BillRM
 
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Thu 1 Aug, 2013 12:23 pm
@oralloy,
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It is easy enough to automatically encrypt most web browsing anyway, if one is so inclined (at least if you use Firefox).


Yes right and you do know that the government had been pressuring to have the private keys used to set up SSL connections turn over to them by the large US internet providers so they can monitor encrypted traffic?!!!!???

Next it is one thing to observe say a couple fooling around in plain sight and in using ten thousand dollars worth of telephoto lens to record their actions from a mile away when they think that no one is around.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 1 Aug, 2013 12:31 pm
@BillRM,
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BillRM wrote:

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Okay! Start one


Ok meet me in the dark net people...


I have no idea what in hell that is, but I would not join a revolution against this country under any circumstances.

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... an we will start the planning as in spite of all the monitoring and the tearing apart of the constitution to do that monitoring all it good at is to ruin innocent citizens right to privacy as the knowledge of how to get around that monitoring is not that hard to get a hold of.


Don't worry about being monitored, Bill. I monitored that last comment of yours...and I have no idea of what you were trying to communicate! Wink
BillRM
 
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Thu 1 Aug, 2013 12:41 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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I have no idea what in hell that is, but I would not join a revolution against this country under any circumstances.


So it the government is taken over by say a military coup for example you would go along with it?

You do not in fact care if those in power ripped up the constitution and govern as they see fit you would just go along with it?

You would had make a great Tory during the revolution war as you would not care what England did as "I would not join a revolution against this country under any circumstances."
izzythepush
 
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Thu 1 Aug, 2013 01:01 pm
@Frank Apisa,
The dark net is where paedophiles go to exchange images of child abuse. BillRM can tell you all about it, how to get on there, and what security he needs to stop the authorities seeing the sort of stuff he's downloaded.
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 1 Aug, 2013 01:04 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
BillRM wrote:

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I have no idea what in hell that is, but I would not join a revolution against this country under any circumstances.


So it the government is taken over by say a military coup for example you would go along with it?


Jesus H. Christ, Bill...try to keep up.

We were talking about a revolution...not fighting against a coup.

You do know the difference, don't you?




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You do not in fact care if those in power ripped up the constitution and govern as they see fit you would just go along with it?


I think they are acting within the confines of the constitution. And I do not think the problem with privacy is all you guys are pretending that it is. If you had any real worries, I doubt you would be talking about starting a revolution, Bill.



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You would had make a great Tory during the revolution war as you would not care what England did as "I would not join a revolution against this country under any circumstances."


If that is the way you interpret what I wrote...go with it. I guess desperation drives you this far afield.
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 1 Aug, 2013 01:05 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

The dark net is where paedophiles go to exchange images of child abuse. BillRM can tell you all about it, how to get on there, and what security he needs to stop the authorities seeing the sort of stuff he's downloaded.


Aha! So that is why he is so desperate to preserve his "privacy."
izzythepush
 
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Thu 1 Aug, 2013 01:13 pm
@Frank Apisa,
All of this is known, BillRM is not exactly shy about it. Has he told you of the time he nearly got arrested when he was sitting on a park bench with a box of kittens trying to attract small children?
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BillRM
 
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Thu 1 Aug, 2013 01:18 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Sorry but you are talking about following anyone and giving anyone who have control of the government loyalty.

That is the old German way of giving loyalty to a leader not the constitution.

However the oath to this nation is to defend and support the constitution and until the fourth amendment is repeal that constitution forbid mass spying on citizens so anyone who is ordering such spying is not doing so under any legal power.

BillRM
 
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Thu 1 Aug, 2013 01:28 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
izzythepush wrote:

The dark net is where paedophiles go to exchange images of child abuse. BillRM can tell you all about it, how to get on there, and what security he needs to stop the authorities seeing the sort of stuff he's downloaded.


Aha! So that is why he is so desperate to preserve his "privacy."


LOL the darknet is outside any government control and that is why is would be a great location to plot the returning of the US to constitutional government.

It does have a lot of others who do not care for governments control such a file sharers of movies and music that annoy the copyright owners and people who are living in non free nations such as China or the UK and more and more the US.
 

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