@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:oralloy wrote:InfraBlue wrote:The PATRIOT Act allows for wiretaps of telephones without court order.
Cite?
Wikipedia refers to searched telephone records specifically in regard to the government not needing court orders: "Opponents of the law have criticized its authorization of ...the expanded use of National Security Letters, which allows the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to search telephone, e-mail, and financial records without a court order..."(
Patriot Act, details.).
"Looking at telephone records" is quite a long ways from "wiretapping a telephone".
InfraBlue wrote:
The only mention of phone metadata in that article is that the Second Court of Appeals ruled that the Patriot Act did not authorize the bulk collection of phone metadata.
Phone metadata is
records of phone calls. Section 215 of the patriot act allows the collection of
records.
This is why the fight over phone metadata dealt only with section 215 of the PATRIOT Act, and not with any other section of any other law.
InfraBlue wrote:oralloy wrote:InfraBlue wrote:PRISM is the phone metadata collection program.
oralloy wrote:I thought PRISM was something about recording everything on the internet.
"PRISM is a government code name for a data-collection effort known officially by the SIGAD US-984XN.[5][6] The PRISM program
collects stored Internet communications based on demands made to Internet companies such as Google Inc. under Section 702 of the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 to
turn over any data that match court-approved search terms.[7] The NSA can use these PRISM requests to target communications that were encrypted when they traveled across the Internet backbone, to focus on stored data that telecommunication filtering systems discarded earlier,[8][9] and to get data that is easier to handle, among other things.[10]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_%28surveillance_program%29
Yeah, that's the phone metadata collection that Snowden revealed.
No, PRISM deals specifically with internet communications and has nothing whatsoever to do with phone calls or phone-related metadata.
InfraBlue wrote:oralloy wrote:InfraBlue wrote:The threat of abuse by the government of this enormous power that it granted to itself is too great to be accepted.
The threat would have been minimal with Congressional and judicial oversight of the programs.
But oh well. We'll learn to get along without such oversight.
The executive, legistative and judicial branches of this regimes are all violators of the Constitution. Expect more whistle-blowers to expose this regimes' machinations.
Hard to see how Congress and the courts could be violating the Constitution by merely passing laws and providing judicial oversight.
Hard to see any Constitutional violations by the executive branch as well, considering the oversight that had been given.
Expect the US government to kill any of these whistleblowers who manage to escape a long prison sentence.