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@revelette2,

Gitmo is unlawful in every way; it needs to be closed - a few years ago.
Obama promised to close gitmo in his first year in office.

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@revelette2,

Not exactly true, Shaker Aamer has permanent UK residential status, and we've asked for him to come back. The only thing stopping him coming home is the US.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

Most of the guys in Gitmo had nothing to do with AQ or the Taliban.

Those people were released once that became clear.

The people who are there now either are high level al-Qa'ida figures, or are low-level Yemeni militants who would be released if there were any nation willing to let them in.

Olivier5 wrote:

you don't seem too bothered by your own country jailing and torturing dozens of innocent people without trial.

Trials are for criminal prosecutions, not for detention of POWs.

I would favor court-ordered compensation for any innocent who was tortured or jailed, but I doubt we tortured very many innocents, and the innocents who were detained were freed long ago.

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

If they can't be tried, I personally think they should be dismissed but that is risky if they really are dangerous.

We aren't going to free any of the terrorists unless we kill them first.

revelette2 wrote:

I don't claim to know the answer, but there has to be one.

International law gives us the right to detain captured enemy fighters until the end of the war.

What's wrong with just allowing America to exercise her rights under international law?

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@oralloy,

Plenty of innocent guys still in there. Of course by the time they get out (IF they ever get out) you can bet many will be quite radical and dangerous, which is why Yemen and other countries are not too willing to accept them.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

Plenty of innocent guys still in there. Of course by the time they get out (IF they ever get out) you can bet many will be quite radical and dangerous, which is why Yemen and other countries are not too willing to accept them.

The Yemenis are not innocent. A low-level militant is still a militant.

They are not particularly dangerous, and Yemen might actually be willing to accept them. The trouble is, with al-Qa-ida being more powerful than the Yemeni government inside the borders of Yemen, we are not willing to send low-level militants back to Yemen.

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Anyone who sees the question of Gitmo in black and white terms...easy to figure out...reasonably easy to handle...

...doesn't understand the world in which he/she is living.

The decisions being made on whether to close (and how to close) that base...and for that matter, all the other decisions being made in the current frenzied world...are not question of right/wrong; good/bad...but rather probably wrong/and probably even wronger; and lousy/and even lousier.

The people here who seem to think the matter is easily solved...or solved to a moral satisfaction...are dreamers who only think they can handle decision making. Almost certainly they cannot.

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@izzythepush,

I do not know that situation. I was thinking of this situation when I said other countries do not want to accept them.

Quote:

GUANTÁNAMO BAY, Cuba — One sweltering afternoon last month, a Boeing C-17 military transport plane arrived at the American naval base here. It had come to take six low-level detainees to new lives in Uruguay after 12 years of imprisonment.

Days before, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. had called Uruguay’s president, José Mujica, pressing him to resettle the men. The foreign leader had offered to accept the detainees last January, but by the time the United States was ready for the transfer this summer, Mr. Mujica was worried that it would be politically risky to follow through because of coming elections in his country, according to Obama administration officials.

After four days of frantic negotiations between the two governments as the plane sat on the tarmac, the C-17 flew away without its intended passengers

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source

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@revelette2,

It's very simple: Send them back to where they originated from. Sending back citizens of their home country is not illegal.

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@cicerone imposter,

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It's very simple: Send them back to where they originated from. Sending back citizens of their home country is not illegal.

Amazing the UK is passing laws that will allowed the government to refused to allow some of their own citizens to return to British.

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@BillRM,

I'm not sure that can be legal if other countries demand the return of their own citizen.

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@BillRM,

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It's very simple: Send them back to where they originated from. Sending back citizens of their home country is not illegal.

CI spewed that malarkey? Figures. Rolling Eyes

We are not about to send low-level al-Qa'ida militants back to a country that is mostly controlled by al-Qa'ida.

We are not about to send political dissidents back to a brutal dictatorship that intends to murder them and harvest their organs.

And we are not going to free hardcore terrorists no matter how much he whines.

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@oralloy,

Why is it malarkey? How do you think they're going to come to this country from the Middle East? Will they be carrying guns and bombs? LOL

They have customs in every country. How do you think they're going to get past customs?

The only malarkey is your dead brain.

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@revelette2,

Shaker Aamer's case shows that there are inmates who could be repatriated without any trouble.

Why should Uruguay have to bail out America? It's America's mess so America should sort it out.

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@izzythepush,

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Why should Uruguay have to bail out America? It's America's mess so America should sort it out.

Like your government attempts to made your citizens everyone else problems in the world by refusing to allow then to re-enter if the government question if they might have some terrorism ties ins?

Arresting citizens as they enter their countries on charges of being a part of a terror organization or aiding such an organization I can understand but refusing the right of citizens to return home is something only the Brits could dream up.

No we think you might be terrorists so please go off to wander the world instead of coming home.

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@BillRM,

That's just Tory blather, and probably won't happen. Even so, it's a million miles from extraordinary rendition. Guantanamo Bay is a reality.

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@Frank Apisa,

Not saying it is easy, just saying the US could not care less, it wants to forget about these guys and would rather let them, including the many innocents among them, rot in there until they die rather than spend the political capital necessary to free them. God forbid the career of anyone in Washington take the slightest shot. Better keep innocent people in prison without trial forever.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

Not saying it is easy, just saying the US could not care less, it wants to forget about these guys and would rather let them, including the many innocents among them, rot in there until they die rather than spend the political capital necessary to free them. God forbid the career of anyone in Washington take the slightest shot. Better keep innocent people in prison without trial forever.

If you want to think of America and its political structure that way...not much I, or anyone else, can do to stop you. Plenty of Americans on this board who have the same disgust with our country.

Your country and many others are also having their problems....and the politicians there also have to deal with large segments of the population who are polar in their notions of how complex problems have to be handled.

Too bad you and some of the others here are not in charge...to show how it should really be done.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

Your country and many others are also having their problems....and the politicians there also have to deal with large segments of the population who are polar in their notions of how complex problems have to be handled.

Name one thing, happening today, in a liberal democracy, that is as much of an affront to democratic values as Guantanamo Bay.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

Your country and many others are also having their problems....and the politicians there also have to deal with large segments of the population who are polar in their notions of how complex problems have to be handled.

Name one thing, happening today, in a liberal democracy, that is as much of an affront to democratic values as Guantanamo Bay.

And if I cannot...does that mean that your country and many others are not also having their problems...and that the politicians there also have to deal with large segments of the population who are polar in their notions of how complex problems have to be handled?

If you, like Olivier, want to think that America, its citizens, and its political structure are loathsome...not much I or anyone else can do about that. As I said, there are many Americans here who agree with you.

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