Snowdon is a dummy

I do not intend to read the piece...although I have read some excerpts from it.

Interesting, Walter.

doubt you'd find Snowden so heroic if you were killed by terrorists because of his revelations.

Frank Apisa wrote:

I do not intend to read the piece...although I have read some excerpts from it.

When I gave the link to the very same site yesterday, Frank,

you, responding to my post, wrote:

Interesting, Walter.

Really, you've found a hole in Frank's reasoning? Eh Beth found a whole heap, but still he continues with his inconsistencies, like a broken record.

And what you extracted from the piece indeed was interesting. And I commented on it.

What are you trying to say here?

Frank Apisa wrote:

And what you extracted from the piece indeed was interesting. And I commented on it.

What are you trying to say here?

My bad. I'd thought, you read that report.

But an overwhelming majority of Americans supported the USA Patriot Act — sections of which were later used to justify NSA programs — in 2002 and 2003, and even after "heightened public concern about government intrusions" in 2005, a Washington Post poll found that six in 10 Americans favored extending the law.


After that poll, in late 2005, The New York Times first exposed the NSA's warrantless spying program. In 2006, the public knew about the "secret room" marked 641A in one of AT&T's communications hubs, which had a traffic splitter and scanner so that any and all "traffic that passed through AT&T's own network could be scanned" by the NSA, as Ars Technica put it at the time.


Still, the USA Patriot Act, and modified iterations of it, were extended by Congress several more times over the coming years, under both administrations. Even in 2011, a Pew poll found that more Americans (42 percent) thought the government's spying powers were a "necessary tool" in the War on Terror, while only 32 percent said it posed a "threat to civil liberties."


While public knowledge about government surveillance then certainly wasn't as rich and thorough as it has become in the past year, we knew that warrantless domestic spying was occurring for more than six years — through two different presidential elections and five Congressional elections — but public opinion only experienced a major shift against U.S. government surveillance powers after the Snowden revelations began to flow.

It's not a joke, and neither is your sheer bloody mindedness.

knew in general what NSA was up to and a majority of the voting public approved. The Snowden revelation just made it suddenly unpopular.

As far as the CIA spying on congress stuff, I hadn't kept up with that story. If it is true, then shame on them.

However, no reason to throw the baby out with the bath water.

I'd comment on "sheer bloody mindedness...but I do not know what it means.

Frank Apisa wrote:

I'd comment on "sheer bloody mindedness...but I do not know what it means.

And you're too bloody minded to find out.

I wonder what revelette and Frank thinks about the militarization of our police departments? Are the American citizens the potential enemy, and they need military armament to 'fight' its own citizens? I'm just wondering where they draw the line.