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Snowdon is a dummy

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cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 09:44 am
@blatham,
If this is about "control," our government doesn't have the means or the facilities to jail even a small percentage of Americans (or anyone else) of committing "real" crimes. Our prisons are already filled to the gills, so how will our government control the majority of our citizens or anyone else?

Don't forget, many Americans are armed.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 09:45 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Quote:
Who the hell is he [Assange] to make the kinds of decisions for us all that he is making?

A free man. You wouldn't understand.


Ahhh...so a "free man" can make those kinds of decisions for you.

Well, I object to him doing so for me. I want my elected officials to do that.

Apparently you do not understand.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 09:47 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

By the way, Bernie…Assange, in my opinion, wants to be a dictator…to decide what can and cannot be kept secret…to decide what measures are or are not reasonable with regard to threats that occur.


Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

He is someone who let the rest of us know about the terrible things that have been done in our(the West's name.) The details he released don't affect national security, they show war crimes. If more people like Assange existed certain armchair generals would be less likely to order their troops to commit atrocities.

I don't know about you, but if British troops kill civilians, I want to know about it, and I want there to be a thorough investigation. If anyone is guilty they should be up in front of the beak.


He is doing a lot more than "letting us know", Izzy. But I see you are not in agreement with me on this--and neither is Bernie or Olivier.

What could I say?

This is how I feel. All I can do is to share it.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 09:54 am
@Frank Apisa,
I would also ask, control of what? Our government has been at this since 2007, and almost 100% of Americans have not seen or felt any changes to "government control" outside of the regular bs going on in state governments, congress and the USSC.

How many of our allies have our government extradited? NONE.

They can't even get Snowden. That shows they don't have the kind of control you believe they do.

Fear will make you lose your sleep and worsen your health. Not good.



Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 10:04 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I would also ask, control of what? Our government has been at this since 2007, and almost 100% of Americans have not seen or felt any changes to "government control" outside of the regular bs going on in state governments, congress and the USSC.

How many of our allies have our government extradited? NONE.

They can't even get Snowden. That shows they don't have the kind of control you believe they do.

Fear will make you lose your sleep and worsen your health. Not good.






For some people the notion of personal privacy is huge. For me it is not.

I think the issue of safety for the country and the people matters...and any politician not tending to that is not going to stay in office.

The politicians are grappling with very large, complex problems...and some of the pe0ple here want easy, simple answers...answers that end up with no cost to personal privacy.

It ain't gonna happen.

Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 10:21 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

For some people the notion of personal privacy is huge. For me it is not.

I think the issue of safety for the country and the people matters...and any politician not tending to that is not going to stay in office.
Personally, I don't care much about my privacy - but, still, I do want to have control over it.

I do think as well that the safety for the country and the people matters - obviously my government can't protect me and my co-citizens: they (officially) didn't know that a foreign nation had access to all of our telecommunication and now, they kind of allow it.
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Olivier5
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 10:22 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Well, I object to him doing so for me. I want my elected officials to do that.

Elected? LOL.

So Nixon spying on Dems in Watergate was fine then, since he was elected.

Who killed Kennedy? Surely there's an 'elected official' somewhere keeping that secret.

Assange is not doing anything 'for you'. He just publishes material that come to his attention. Who are you to object to his free speech?

cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 10:29 am
@cicerone imposter,
Interesting article in this mornings newspaper about "mining info on customers."
It seems a company called Euclid Analytics "tracked 50 million devices in 4000 locations for 100 corporate and other customers."

Customers better start complaining to all those companies that their "privacy" has been attacked.

I just wonder who else are involved in customer mining through the telecommunication systems?

Olivier5
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 10:40 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
I just wonder who else are involved in customer mining through the telecommunication systems?

One would think insider trading is going to reach a whole new level. Imagine the dow you could make if you had access to wall street bankers' emails.
izzythepush
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 10:57 am
@cicerone imposter,
The Americans have tried, and in a lot of cases succeeded, in extraditing UK citizens who've never even set foot in America to face American 'justice.' The extradition system is notoriously one sided.

The treatment of Gary McKinnon was particularly nauseating.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 10:57 am
@Olivier5,
I'm sure hackers are trying to get into their files as we speak. When hackers can get into bank's customer files with their social security and account numbers, it won't be long before hackers can access almost any confidential file in open source memory banks.

Quote:
Hackers empty $900K bank account
By Claes Bell · Bankrate.com
Monday, February 25, 2013

In itself, a distributed denial of service, or DDoS, attack on a bank's website is little more than costly hooliganism. It essentially consists of hackers ordering a bunch of malware-infected computers to "click" on a bank's website until it's too overwhelmed to respond to legitimate users.

The effect is pretty similar to a barricade across the entrance to your bank: You can't get in, but your money is still safe inside the bank.

But what if thieves used a DDoS attack as cover for a more harmful attack that did actually compromise customer checking accounts? That appears to be exactly what happened to a customer of Bank of the West, according to a report from security blogger Brian Krebs:

A Christmas Eve cyber-attack against the website of a regional California financial institution helped to distract bank officials from an online account takeover against one of its clients, netting thieves more than $900,000.

At approximately midday on Dec. 24, 2012, organized cyber crooks began moving money out of corporate accounts belonging to Ascent Builders, a construction firm based in Sacramento, Calif. In short order, the company's financial institution -- San Francisco-based Bank of the West -- came under a large distributed denial of service (DDoS) attack …



Read more: http://www.bankrate.com/financing/banking/hackers-empty-900k-bank-account/#ixzz2Ywgnm6g9
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ossobuco
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 10:57 am
@Frank Apisa,
OK, I will, Frank.
izzythepush
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 10:59 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Customers better start complaining to all those companies that their "privacy" has been attacked.



Unlike the CIA, they're not above the law. The customers can do a lot more than complain, they can litigate.
izzythepush
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 11:01 am
@ossobuco,
Just read Mit's message. Sorry about your dog. Chin up.
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ehBeth
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 11:01 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
How many of our allies have our government extradited? NONE.


they seem to call it rendition now.

it's an ugly practice.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 11:04 am
@izzythepush,
There are two sides to this nauseating event.

1. If you elected your government officials, and they do things you are against, what can you do? I personally found and experienced that writing to my government is a useless venture. Have you ever tried to contact your government about McKinnon? What results did you get? In other words, there's nothing one citizen can do to change what they do irrespective of your personal feelings or actions.
2. If the extradition of UK citizens are "one-sided," I have to ask why?

Don't you think it's your government that is at fault? Do something. Complaining on a2k will get you nowhere.

cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 11:05 am
@izzythepush,
Yes, they can litigate, but will they? I'll not wait for that to happen.

Many people are angry at the NSA, but I've heard nothing about any litigation against them. Have you?
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izzythepush
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 11:07 am
@cicerone imposter,
You were the one who brought extradition up, by falsely claiming none of our citizens had been extradited.

I've spoken to my MP about it more than once.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 11:08 am
@izzythepush,
My real question was, what results did you get? Contacting one's government does not result in satisfaction for our concerns.

Were you satisfied with the results of your contact?

Governments arrive at their own reasonings for their actions, and not much can be accomplished by a few complaining about them. That's been "MY" observation and experience.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 11:13 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

It seems a company called Euclid Analytics "tracked 50 million devices in 4000 locations for 100 corporate and other customers."
What Euclid Analytics do, would be illegal all over Europe.

But even in the USA, Euclid has an opt-out option for shoppers who don't want to be tracked. So, like with any other option for my privacy, it's me to decide ...
 

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