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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 21 Jul, 2014 09:06 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Apropos privacy: it's really gone. Not only for foreigners but for Americans as well. Legally gone!
Quote:
Ars editor learns feds have his old IP addresses, full credit card numbers

FOIA request turns up 9 years of records, including plaintext credit card numbers.
[...]
The 76 new pages of data, covering 2005 through 2013, show that CBP retains massive amounts of data on us when we travel internationally. My own PNRs include not just every mailing address, e-mail, and phone number I've ever used; some of them also contain:

- The IP address that I used to buy the ticket
- My credit card number (in full)
- The language I used
- Notes on my phone calls to airlines, even for something as minor as a seat change

The breadth of long-term data retention illustrates yet another way that the federal government enforces its post-September 11 "collect it all" mentality.
[...]
As I looked through the logs, I also saw notes, presumably made by call center staff, recording each time I had tried to make a change by phone. Hasbrouck said that this is typical and that it's one of the downsides of global outsourcing—the people I’m talking to probably have no idea that everything they write down will be kept in American government records for years.
[...]
PNRs also include personal information about someone's travel, such as whether they request special meals (possibly revealing religion) or if they need special accommodations (possibly revealing a health condition). The fact that PNRs can be so revealing is part of the longstanding hangups between such data sharing between the United States and the European Union.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 21 Jul, 2014 09:07 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:
Not sure I understand how their rights were harmed by the lights,
They certainly didn't give the permission to "illuminate" their building.
JTT
 
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Mon 21 Jul, 2014 09:53 am
@revelette2,
Quote:
Since I can't really hear those things,


or read or think about or discuss those things.
revelette2
 
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Mon 21 Jul, 2014 10:00 am
@JTT,
Well, not true, if it was closed captioned which I wish all youtubes or internet videos were, then I could have easily read it and not have had to ask. It is frustrating as I am not good at reading lips on the computer or on TV screens.

I just don't like to read your posts when its either filled with hyperbolic opinions or long lists of wrong doing by the US.
revelette2
 
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Mon 21 Jul, 2014 10:02 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I am sure that consideration was secondary to content. But good art work and I imagine it appealed to those it was targeted for.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 21 Jul, 2014 10:33 am
@revelette2,
When the artist made a similar project last year ..

http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/a_zpsfe923e87.jpg

... he was investigated because it might have been a "Defamation of organs and representatives of foreign states" (§103 StGB). It wasn't. And the USA didn't want a prosecution.

But now it seems to be different: media are quoting eye-witnesses that a civilian passer-by, who came from the entrance of the US-embassy, informed the policemen about it.
JTT
 
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Mon 21 Jul, 2014 11:35 am
@revelette2,
Quote:
I just don't like to read your posts when its either filled with hyperbolic opinions or long lists of wrong doing by the US.


But you love to discuss short lists of everyone else's wrongdoings, Rev. Why not address the USA's long list. This long list is what is causing the vast majority of problems on the short lists.

Need I remind you of that uncomfortable truth;

USA terrorism and war crimes are the major cause of all the security problems in the world today. No one in the Middle East would care at all about the USA if the USA had not been stealing their wealth and killing them.

That's fact, no matter how much you want to wing off to LaLa land when you hear it. And y'all know it! You don't tell me it's false, y'all just keep saying you don't want to hear it.
revelette2
 
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Mon 21 Jul, 2014 11:57 am
@JTT,
Some I have no idea about, some I agree with, but some I don't. In short, I don't think we are much worse than many other countries but sometimes, we make mistakes or blunders or sometimes we (like Iraq and Vietnam) we cause needless death or suffering. It is the price we pay with having elections, some president's are different than others and not all of them are bad and not everything we do is bad or done with some kind of weird desire to take over the world like some amateur scientific fantasy cartoon show. Personally I agree, we should get out of all these countries, we really don't need to be there anymore if we ever did and start spending our own money on our own people. We can stay involved with other countries without having armies stationed there. I hope that day comes sooner rather than later.
JTT
 
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Mon 21 Jul, 2014 12:03 pm
@revelette2,
"The greatest myth concerning American foreign policies is the deeply-held belief that no matter what the United States does abroad, no matter how bad it may look, no matter what horror may result, the American government means well. American leaders may make mistakes, they may blunder, they may even on the odd occasion cause more harm than good, but they do mean well. Their intentions are always honorable. Of that Americans are certain. They genuinely wonder why the rest of the world can't see how kind and generous and self-sacrificing America has been."

William Blum
revelette2
 
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Mon 21 Jul, 2014 12:28 pm
@JTT,
There is a middle ground and most of the time that is where the truth lies. My own quote for whatever its worth.
JTT
 
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Mon 21 Jul, 2014 12:40 pm
@revelette2,
Quote:
some president's are different than others and not all of them are bad



We really need only concern ourselves with post WWII.

"If Nuremberg were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged."
- Noam Chomsky

Nuremberg was largely a USA creation. It established the parameters for war crimes. Every USA president since then has committed war crimes that, in a just world, would have seen them hang. That means that all presidents were/are bad.







and not everything we do is bad or done with some kind of weird desire to take over the world like some amateur scientific fantasy cartoon show. [/quote]
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JTT
 
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Mon 21 Jul, 2014 12:46 pm
@revelette2,
You keep grasping what is a fiction as regards the USA, Rev.

Quote:
When searching for the documentary record of the “good old days” back when the U.S. Government provided a shining example of honest government to the world, one quickly comes to the realization that those halcyon days never actually existed. In fact, the record of the English and Dutch occupations of North America, which led to the establishment of English colonies and later to the American Revolution are a record of unparallelled brutality and thievery: first of the lands of the aboriginal peoples of the North American continent, and almost immediately, the twin, world-historic crimes of the genocide of the Native American population and the African Slave Trade show that from its very inception, the U.S. Government has been a plague on world civilization and has been responsible for horrendous atrocities throughout its short and hopefully not much longer-lived history.

KEEP READING AT,

http://iwpchi.wordpress.com/2013/05/07/the-rise-of-u-s-imperialism-teddy-roosevelts-racist-u-s-war-crimes-in-the-philippines-1898/


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cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 21 Jul, 2014 01:27 pm
@revelette2,
What you observe is true; most cultures and races have some history of unnecessary violence against their own or other groups. It only needs a modicum of historical knowledge to understand this simple truth. Some people lack any historical knowledge.
JTT
 
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Mon 21 Jul, 2014 01:35 pm
@cicerone imposter,
This just doesn't square with your take on Israel, CI. In fact you have never explained why you focus so heavily on that situation but give what amounts to a free pass to the USA, which is exactly what you are attempting here.

The question is why.
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revelette2
 
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Tue 22 Jul, 2014 07:57 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
civilian passer-by who came from the entrance of the US-embassy


That is a pretty vague way of identifying who it was. Leaves a lot of room for speculation. Was the person coming out of the US embassy a US citizen or a German citizen? Was it a US citizen who worked at the embassy or just a US citizen who was just coming out of the building? What I am getting at, though the whole thing is not a big deal in my opinion, if the citizen did not officially work for the embassy and did not get orders from an official in the US embassy, then perhaps it wasn't an official USA decision to inform the police but just that citizen passer-by who was coming out of the US embassy decision to inform the police.
JTT
 
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Tue 22 Jul, 2014 08:40 am
@revelette2,
You have, like your compatriots, an incredible ability to ignore the truth, Rev.
Olivier5
 
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Tue 22 Jul, 2014 09:56 am
@JTT,
Because Israel is far worse than the US. E.g. the US could have colonized Japan, or Germany, or France after WW2. They didn't. The day Israel not only gives back to west bank to a Palestinian government, but also lends funds for the reconstruction and development of the West Bank, like the US did for West Germany, you will have a point.
revelette2
 
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Tue 22 Jul, 2014 10:06 am
Not that it makes any difference, but should have said, civilian rather than citizen. On second thought, it might make a difference. In any event, sure it slow around here.
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revelette2
 
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Tue 22 Jul, 2014 10:16 am
@JTT,
Not really ignoring it, it just that most of that is now water under the bridge. In almost every country, someone conquered someone else to claim the country. However, I agree, we should have been more humane in regards to the Indians. The slave part was a disgrace in which we still deal with the ramifications to this day. Also, the framers saying everybody was equal, they clearly wasn't and it took a very long time until they were. But under it all, the constitution has stood us in pretty good stead to address some of those wrongs, and I am hoping with further progress, we are involved less physically with other countries and learn to be more of partner rather than a boss so to speak with other countries.

I am frankly tired of talking about this.
JTT
 
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Tue 22 Jul, 2014 10:17 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
Because Israel is far worse than the US. E.g. the US could have colonized Japan, or Germany, or France after WW2. They didn't.


As bad as Israel is, and I'll readily admit, it is bad, it doesn't come close to the USA. No, the USA could not have colonized those countries. It got all it needed without doing that. Those countries would not have tolerated being colonized.

But speaking of bad, between 1945 and today, read on for what bad means.

Quote:
A Brief History of U.S. Interventions:
1945 to the Present

by William Blum

Z magazine , June 1999





The engine of American foreign policy has been fueled not by a devotion to any kind of morality, but rather by the necessity to serve other imperatives, which can be summarized as follows:

* making the world safe for American corporations;

* enhancing the financial statements of defense contractors at home who have contributed generously to members of congress;

* preventing the rise of any society that might serve as a successful example of an alternative to the capitalist model;

* extending political and economic hegemony over as wide an area as possible, as befits a "great power."

This in the name of fighting a supposed moral crusade against what cold warriors convinced themselves, and the American people, was the existence of an evil International Communist Conspiracy, which in fact never existed, evil or not.

The United States carried out extremely serious interventions into more than 70 nations in this period.

China, 1945-49:

Intervened in a civil war, taking the side of Chiang Kai-shek against the Communists, even though the latter had been a much closer ally of the United States in the world war. The U.S. used defeated Japanese soldiers to fight for its side. The Communists forced Chiang to flee to Taiwan in 1949.

Italy, 1947-48:

Using every trick in the book, the U.S. interfered in the elections to prevent the Communist Party from coming to power legally and fairly. This perversion of democracy was done in the name of "saving democracy" in Italy. The Communists lost. For the next few decades, the CIA, along with American corporations, continued to intervene in Italian elections, pouring in hundreds of millions of dollars and much psychological warfare to block the specter that was haunting Europe.

Greece, 1947-49:

Intervened in a civil war, taking the side of the neo-fascists against the Greek left which had fought the Nazis courageously. The neo-fascists won and instituted a highly brutal regime, for which the CIA created a new internal security agency, KYP. Before long, KYP was carrying out all the endearing practices of secret police everywhere, including systematic torture.

Philippines, 1945-53:

U.S. military fought against leftist forces (Huks) even while the Huks were still fighting against the Japanese invaders. After the war, the U. S. continued its fight against the Huks, defeating them, and then installing a series of puppets as president, culminating in the dictatorship of Ferdinand Marcos.

South Korea, 1945-53:

After World War II, the United States suppressed the popular progressive forces in favor of the conservatives who had collaborated with the Japanese. This led to a long era of corrupt, reactionary, and brutal governments.

Albania, 1949-53:

The U.S. and Britain tried unsuccessfully to overthrow the communist government and install a new one that would have been pro-Western and composed largely of monarchists and collaborators with Italian fascists and Nazis.

Germany, 1950s:

The CIA orchestrated a wide-ranging campaign of sabotage, terrorism, dirty tricks, and psychological warfare against East Germany. This was one of the factors which led to the building of the Berlin Wall in 1961.

Iran, 1953:

Prime Minister Mossadegh was overthrown in a joint U.S./British operation. Mossadegh had been elected to his position by a large majority of parliament, but he had made the fateful mistake of spearheading the movement to nationalize a British-owned oil company, the sole oil company operating in Iran. The coup restored the Shah to absolute power and began a period of 25 years of repression and torture, with the oil industry being restored to foreign ownership, as follows: Britain and the U.S., each 40 percent, other nations 20 percent.

Guatemala, 1953-1990s:

A CIA-organized coup overthrew the democratically-elected and progressive government of Jacobo Arbenz, initiating 40 years of death-squads, torture, disappearances, mass executions, and unimaginable cruelty, totaling well over 100,000 victims -indisputably one of the most inhuman chapters of the 20th century. Arbenz had nationalized the U.S. firm, United Fruit Company, which had extremely close ties to the American power elite. As justification for the coup, Washington declared that Guatemala had been on the verge of a Soviet takeover, when in fact the Russians had so little interest in the country that it didn't even maintain diplomatic relations. The real problem in the eyes of Washington, in addition to United Fruit, was the danger of Guatemala's social democracy spreading to other countries in Latin America.

Middle East, 1956-58:

The Eisenhower Doctrine stated that the United States "is prepared to use armed forces to assist" any Middle East country "requesting assistance against armed aggression from any country controlled by international communism." The English translation of this was that no one would be allowed to dominate, or have excessive influence over, the middle east and its oil fields except the United States, and that anyone who tried would be, by definition, "Communist." In keeping with this policy, the United States twice attempted to overthrow the Syrian government, staged several shows-of-force in the Mediterranean to intimidate movements opposed to U.S.-supported governments in Jordan and Lebanon, landed 14,000 troops in Lebanon, and conspired to overthrow or assassinate Nasser of Egypt and his troublesome middle-east nationalism.

Indonesia, 1957-58:

Sukarno, like Nasser, was the kind of Third World leader the United States could not abide. He took neutralism in the cold war seriously, making trips to the Soviet Union and China (though to the White House as well). He nationalized many private holdings of the Dutch, the former colonial power. He refused to crack down on the Indonesian Communist Party, which was walking the legal, peaceful road and making impressive gains electorally. Such policies could easily give other Third World leaders "wrong ideas." The CIA began throwing money into the elections, plotted Sukarno's assassination, tried to blackmail him with a phony sex film, and joined forces with dissident military officers to wage a full-scale war against the government. Sukarno survived it all.

British Guiana/Guyana, 1953-64:

For 11 years, two of the oldest democracies in the world, Great Britain and the United States, went to great lengths to prevent a democratically elected leader from occupying his office. Cheddi Jagan was another Third World leader who tried to remain neutral and independent. He was elected three times. Although a leftist-more so than Sukarno or Arbenz-his policies in office were not revolutionary. But he was still a marked man, for he represented Washington's greatest fear: building a society that might be a successful example of an alternative to the capitalist model. Using a wide variety of tactics-from general strikes and disinformation to terrorism and British legalisms, the U. S. and Britain finally forced Jagan out in 1964. John F. Kennedy had given a direct order for his ouster, as, presumably, had Eisenhower.

One of the better-off countries in the region under Jagan, Guyana, by the 1980s, was one of the poorest. Its principal export became people.

Vietnam, 1950-73:

The slippery slope began with siding with ~ French, the former colonizers and collaborators with the Japanese, against Ho Chi Minh and his followers who had worked closely with the Allied war effort and admired all things American. Ho Chi Minh was, after all, some kind of Communist. He had written numerous letters to President Truman and the State Department asking for America's help in winning Vietnamese independence from the French and finding a peaceful solution for his country. All his entreaties were ignored. Ho Chi Minh modeled the new Vietnamese declaration of independence on the American, beginning it with "All men are created equal. They are endowed by their Creator with ..." But this would count for nothing in Washington. Ho Chi Minh was some kind of Communist.

READ ON AT,

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/US_Interventions_WBlumZ.html




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