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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
I am sure our counter-intelligence agencies understand that you are spying on us.

Spying is not good or bad for international relationships.

Okay. Now I'm sure that the USA really is different to all other nations.

First of all, Walter...you should not judge the USA by MY answers to your questions. MY answers to your questions reflect my sensibilities...not those of this country...and you should be intelligent enough to realize that without it being called to your attention.

Spying IS NOT good nor bad for international relationships.

Discovery of spying...can be...especially if people like you get involved and make the activity more than what it actually is.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

Discovery of spying...can be...especially if people like you get involved and make the activity more than what it actually is.

I do think that I know about about spying here than you do, at least, I do have more own experiences.

But this has nothing to do with the linked reports I've posted here nor with our criminal law nor with the reaction of the current government and/or that of related parliamentary committees or recent polls.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

Discovery of spying...can be...especially if people like you get involved and make the activity more than what it actually is.

I do think that I know about about spying here than you do, at least, I do have more own experiences.

But this has nothing to do with the linked reports I've posted here nor with our criminal law nor with the reaction of the current government and/or that of related parliamentary committees or recent polls.

Keep agitating, Walter.

I am sure you will be much happier if Germany broke relations with the US...and your relations with Russia, who would never spy on you, got stronger.

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@Frank Apisa,

You are a right idiot, Frank. You sound like a coldjoint bot.

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@Walter Hinteler,

If you remember Pollard, he was in the U.S. Navy but was passing along classified material to Israel, he is still in prison despite the efforts of Israel to have him released to them. If Germany finds a German citizen passing intelligence to any other country, I'm sure that person will also be tried in German court, probably will serve time.

It wasn't that long ago, that East Germany was obsessed with spying on West Germany. The word spy creeps everybody out, however, as much as I hate to quote Saint Reagan, we all need to trust but verify. Spying is neither good or bad, it's necessary for all nations to protect themselves from surprise invasion or organized criminal activity. Germany and the United States have cooperated in exposing or arresting terrorists. Our two nation cooperate in many other ways, but if anyone thinks that Germany or other NATO countries don't spy on the US, you are sadly mistaken. The rationale is not to overtake or dominate the other countries, it's more a matter of national security for each and every nation. It would be incredibly irresponsible for Germany not to keep an eye on other nations, the German citizens deserve to be protected. So do the citizens of the United States.

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@glitterbag,

Thank you, Glitterbag. You said it much better than I.

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@glitterbag,

You wrote (with which I disagree),

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Spying is neither good or bad, it's necessary for all nations to protect themselves from surprise invasion or organized criminal activity.

Do you also spy on your family and friends, because they might harm you? Get real! Your fears about our allies attempting a 'SURPRISE INVASION' is not only unrealistic, but ignorant at its height of stupidity. As for crimes, most countries already have laws about "criminal activity."

Spying on friends and allies is bad whether it's political, military, or economics.
If the laws are lacking, strengthen the laws.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
But keep agitating, Walter...and if you and the others like you are successful...you will help to dissolve the relationship between the US and Germany...and we will see where that leads.[/b]

So spying on us is good for a positive relation but spying on the USA is a severe crime?

Perhaps America is God and the rest of the nations footstools.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

I am sure you will be much happier if Germany broke relations with the US...and your relations with Russia, who would never spy on you, got stronger.

Your capacities of reading my mind are rather low. Better said: not existent.
Our (if you mena Germany with "you") are as good or as bad as with most non-allies nations.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
I am sure you will be much happier if Germany broke relations with the US...and your relations with Russia, who would never spy on you, got stronger.

Your capacities of reading my mind are rather low. Better said: not existent.
Our (if you mena Germany with "you") are as good or as bad as with most non-allies nations.

I do not even want to try to decipher this post, Walter.

If you want...give it another try.

I will respond when I figure out what you were trying to say.

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@glitterbag,

glitterbag wrote:

the German citizens deserve to be protected. So do the citizens of the United States.

Indeed. Thus, we expel spies who have diplomatic status. And bring Germans, who spy for foreign nations to the court.

Just now, our interior minister said in a life interviews that from now on the counter-espionage on the USA would be done in the same way as it is done to e.g. Russia, China or North Korea.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

glitterbag wrote:
the German citizens deserve to be protected. So do the citizens of the United States.

Indeed. Thus, we expel spies who have diplomatic status. And bring Germans, who spy for foreign nations to the court.

Just now, our interior minister said in a life interviews that from now on the counter-espionage on the USA would be done in the same way as it is done to e.g. Russia, China or North Korea.

Like I said earlier...thank heavens your intelligence agencies finally woke up. (Except I think they have been doing it all along. My guess is that almost everything going on right now...is charade...for citizens of both countries.)

This all should have been kept in the tube.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

(Except I think they have been doing it all along. My guess is that almost everything going on right now...is charade...for citizens of both countries.)

This would mean that they knew the Snowden documents before they were published. How do you get such thoughts?

This would mean that they had tolerated that German citizens spied for a foreign nation in very sensitive areas. Any proof for that?

And finally this would mean that we don't have an independent judiciary. Why do you think so?

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
(Except I think they have been doing it all along. My guess is that almost everything going on right now...is charade...for citizens of both countries.)

This would mean that they knew the Snowden documents before they were published.

It would not mean that at all.

Do you think your intelligence agencies are so perfect...they will discover everything by spying, Walter?

In the spying community, some things you find out...most things you miss. The spying is to find out the most you can...which at times can be much, much less than you want.

But to suppose that because your intelligence agencies were spying on us they knew about the documents Snowden is alleged to have stolen...is absurd.

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How do you get such thoughts?

Easy. I actually think...rather than impulsively react the way you are.

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@glitterbag,

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the rationale is not to overtake or dominate the other countries,

That has always been the case for the USA. It is a rapacious, exceedingly greedy nation.

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When searching for the documentary record of the “good old days” back when the U.S. Government provided a shining example of honest government to the world, one quickly comes to the realization that those halcyon days never actually existed. In fact, the record of the English and Dutch occupations of North America, which led to the establishment of English colonies and later to the American Revolution are a record of unparallelled brutality and thievery: first of the lands of the aboriginal peoples of the North American continent, and almost immediately, the twin, world-historic crimes of the genocide of the Native American population and the African Slave Trade show that from its very inception, the U.S. Government has been a plague on world civilization and has been responsible for horrendous atrocities throughout its short and hopefully not much longer-lived history.

http://iwpchi.wordpress.com/2013/05/07/the-rise-of-u-s-imperialism-teddy-roosevelts-racist-u-s-war-crimes-in-the-philippines-1898/

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@Frank Apisa,

The officer I worked for in the military services and who later became the head of that agency, was after his retirement director of the Association for the Protection of Civic Rights and Human Dignity.
Might well be that I really have got different ideas about the spying community due to him.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

The officer I worked for in the military services and who later became the head of that agency, was after his retirement director of the Association for the Protection of Civic Rights and Human Dignity.
Might well be that I really have got different ideas about the spying community due to him.

Could be.

Maybe he was playing you, though, Walter! They tend to be a shady lot...and are not given to giving out accurate information or assessments to friends.

We are going to spy on Germany...you can bet on it. I dare say that our counter-intelligence community is expecting Germany to spy on us.

We will all keep it as quiet as possible...although sometimes someone like Snowden comes along as screws things up.

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Berlin tells CIA station chief to leave in spy scandal
Reuters By By Madeline Chambers
6 hours ago

By Madeline Chambers

Germany kicks out top U.S. spy over espionage claims Associated Press
US mute on growing spy row with Germany AFP
US Intel Chief in Berlin Gets Das Boot Over Spy Row ABC News
Germany asks top US spy to leave the country Associated Press
BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany told the CIA station chief in Berlin to leave the country on Thursday in a dramatic display of anger from Chancellor Angela Merkel at the behaviour of a close ally after officials unearthed two suspected U.S. spies.

Good for Germany.

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@cicerone imposter,

http://news.yahoo.com/video/usa-nation-spies-235258846.html

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@Frank Apisa,

You know, Frank, I don't find it the least bit surprising that you find nothing at all wrong with the scummiest of behaviours. No wonder you always made excuses for USA war crimes, genocides, terrorism, ... .

It wouldn't surprise me one iota to hear you had taken part in these activities in your early days.

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