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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 4 Jul, 2014 06:10 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

"Expressions?" LMAO Come off it, Frank. You're a know it all who repeats ad nauseam what you think are the only opinion with value.


I have never said anything like you suggested I said...and I have never indicated that I think my opinions are the only ones of value. You are so far off base on that...it seems impossible. I go out of my way to indicate that decent, well-meaning, intelligent people can think completely differently from me on various issues...and they may be correct.

Sometimes I think I AM correct...or closer to correct on a particular issue...and I stand by my opinion. That is as it should be.

You are so far off base on this...it is incredible.


Quote:

You belittle people in so many ways, I've lost count. Too bad you're blind to your own attacks against other posters.


I have taken shots at people...some serious shots in the case of certain people...but for the most part I do not belittle people anywhere near with the frequency you do, ci. You do it regularly...day after day...often post after post .

So take that nonsense elsewhere, because that snake oil is not going to sell.

You went from being a fairly decent, reasonable person...to one of the most petty individuals now posting on A2K. You ought to be ashamed of yourself...but I don't think you have it in you to take a real look at what you have become.


cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Fri 4 Jul, 2014 06:16 pm
@Frank Apisa,
You,
Quote:
and they may be correct.
LMAO
Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 4 Jul, 2014 06:23 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

You,
Quote:
and they may be correct.
LMAO


Not sure what you are laughing your ass off about, ci....I often mention that I may be wrong.

Just like I say I am wrong when I am wrong...which you also accused me of not doing...and proclaimed you do.

I've already given you an example of me acknowledging that I was wrong...thanking the person for calling it to my attention...and apologizing for it.

I have several more.

Any chance you have even one?

Of is it all talk on your part...as usual?
JTT
 
  2  
Fri 4 Jul, 2014 06:27 pm
@Frank Apisa,
CI has become honest. Those things that make him a bit angrier should make anyone angry.

It's clear that the USA is not anywhere near what it is made out to be. That level of deception speaks to an evil that ought to make all right thinking Americans very angry.

It says a lot about you, Frank, that not only are you not angry (you great pretender), you make terribly lame excuses for these hideous crimes and for the criminals, all the while pretending you are a big law and order guy - "I want Ed to have a fair trial".



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cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Fri 4 Jul, 2014 06:34 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Here's a list from the past few pages.

Quote:
Frankie quotes.

Frank Apisa wrote:
Any laws that say "It is illegal to spy on me"...is RIGHTLY going to be laughed at.

Frank, Spy agencies are gonna spy. Get over it. Me: Why should we “get over it?” It's against the law. Just because you don't care, most Americans do care.

Frank, I see here (and in many other places) the assertion that Snowden is being charged with espionage. Me: It's not an 'assertion.” NBC News: “US charges NSA leaker Snowden with espionage”

Frank, Could it be that some of the people making these decisions are simply wiser and more realistic than some of the people maintaining "personal privacy at any cost?" Frank, Walter...I love ya. But you have got to wake up and smell the roses. Me: Condensending, insulting, b.s.

Frank, I think anyone who does not like America...can go on not liking America.
I think anyone who loathes America...can go on loathing America.
For the people who are concerned about the damage America is doing to America's reputation...
...give it a rest.
Me: Why don't you give it a rest?


Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Fri 4 Jul, 2014 11:27 pm
Quote:
On Friday, the German Foreign Ministry called on US Ambassador John Emerson to cooperate with the investigation into allegations that a double agent had spied on the Bundestag for Washington.
[...]
The suspect was a midlevel agent with the foreign intelligence agency, known by its German initialism, BND. He had been active as a double for two years, according to the daily Bild newspaper, citing security sources.

Bild reported that the agent sold 218 sensitive documents to an unspecified US intelligence agency for 25,000 euros ($33,000). At least three of the documents were from the parliamentary committee investigating the National Security Agency's surveillance operations in Germany. He reportedly obtained his orders directly from the the US embassy.
[...]
The center-left Social Democrats (SPD) have requested a special meeting of the parliamentary committee that oversees Germany's intelligence agencies. They called on the government to explain how it plans to secure the BND from security breaches.
The SPD is the junior member of Merkel's coalition government.
"It would be an unheard of attack on the freedom of parliament and our democratic institutions in general," said Thomas Oppermann, the SPD's parliamentary chief. "The US now has an obligation to clarify what happened."
[...]
Last May, the German parliament established a committee to investigate the extent of NSA operations in Germany. The country's security agencies have long been concerned that foreign intellignece agencies would try to spy on the committee.

Committe chairman Patrick Sensburg told Reuters news agency that all members communicate with each other using secure cell phones and have safes in their offices to store sensitive documents.
Source
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Sat 5 Jul, 2014 03:27 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Here's a list from the past few pages.

Quote:
Frankie quotes.

Frank Apisa wrote:
Any laws that say "It is illegal to spy on me"...is RIGHTLY going to be laughed at.

Frank, Spy agencies are gonna spy. Get over it. Me: Why should we “get over it?” It's against the law. Just because you don't care, most Americans do care.

Frank, I see here (and in many other places) the assertion that Snowden is being charged with espionage. Me: It's not an 'assertion.” NBC News: “US charges NSA leaker Snowden with espionage”

Frank, Could it be that some of the people making these decisions are simply wiser and more realistic than some of the people maintaining "personal privacy at any cost?" Frank, Walter...I love ya. But you have got to wake up and smell the roses. Me: Condensending, insulting, b.s.

Frank, I think anyone who does not like America...can go on not liking America.
I think anyone who loathes America...can go on loathing America.
For the people who are concerned about the damage America is doing to America's reputation...
...give it a rest.
Me: Why don't you give it a rest?





Why give it a rest when you are quoting what I write?

What was wrong with what I wrote?

Are you saying I am not allowed to offer my opinion...or because we have competing opinions...it means I am saying,"I am always right?"

You are offering your opinions...and that does not mean you are saying that.

Where is your reasoning?



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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Sat 5 Jul, 2014 03:35 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Quote:
On Friday, the German Foreign Ministry called on US Ambassador John Emerson to cooperate with the investigation into allegations that a double agent had spied on the Bundestag for Washington.
[...]
The suspect was a midlevel agent with the foreign intelligence agency, known by its German initialism, BND. He had been active as a double for two years, according to the daily Bild newspaper, citing security sources.

Bild reported that the agent sold 218 sensitive documents to an unspecified US intelligence agency for 25,000 euros ($33,000). At least three of the documents were from the parliamentary committee investigating the National Security Agency's surveillance operations in Germany. He reportedly obtained his orders directly from the the US embassy.
[...]
The center-left Social Democrats (SPD) have requested a special meeting of the parliamentary committee that oversees Germany's intelligence agencies. They called on the government to explain how it plans to secure the BND from security breaches.
The SPD is the junior member of Merkel's coalition government.
"It would be an unheard of attack on the freedom of parliament and our democratic institutions in general," said Thomas Oppermann, the SPD's parliamentary chief. "The US now has an obligation to clarify what happened."
[...]
Last May, the German parliament established a committee to investigate the extent of NSA operations in Germany. The country's security agencies have long been concerned that foreign intellignece agencies would try to spy on the committee.

Committe chairman Patrick Sensburg told Reuters news agency that all members communicate with each other using secure cell phones and have safes in their offices to store sensitive documents.
Source



Sounds to me like this source is saying, "We have leaks in our intelligence agencies...and in our government...and the United States has an obligation to help us clear it up."

If an agent of a foreign government agreed to furnish the US with information about something that impacts on the US...I would expect our intelligence agencies to take advantage of that prospect. (Which is apparently what happened!)

I suspect that if German intelligence were able to get another Edward Snowden to give them information about what happened in the situation covered in that article...THEY WOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT ALSO.

That is what spying is all about, Walter.

It goes on! All indications are that this stuff happens almost everywhere...almost all the time.

What is your point?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 5 Jul, 2014 03:49 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
What is your point?
Giving a news-update, which I hadn't to translate from German to English myself.

Frank Apisa wrote:
Sounds to me like this source is saying, "We have leaks in our intelligence agencies...and in our government...and the United States has an obligation to help us clear it up."

Might be so ... that it sounds like that to you.
Which is quite understandable, since you ask everyone to bring Snowden back after it was discovered that he had stolen a couple of secret documents.

Opposite to that, our counter-espionage agency knew about this double-agent for some time. And they waited just as long as it was necessary to identify the ordering agency and nation.

But carry on with your own interpretations!
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 5 Jul, 2014 04:21 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
What is your point?
Giving a news-update, which I hadn't to translate from German to English myself.


I read it in an English version on line.

Quote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
Sounds to me like this source is saying, "We have leaks in our intelligence agencies...and in our government...and the United States has an obligation to help us clear it up."

Might be so ... that it sounds like that to you.


That is pretty much what it says...although the English version I read put that a bit more mildly than your version.



Quote:
Which is quite understandable, since you ask everyone to bring Snowden back after it was discovered that he had stolen a couple of secret documents.


He is charged with stealing classified documents and releasing them to unauthorized persons. I am not going to judge him. He deserves a fair trial on those charges.

As I understand it, though, it was more than just a couple of secret documents.


Quote:
Opposite to that, our counter-espionage agency knew about this double-agent for some time. And they waited just as long as it was necessary to identify the ordering agency and nation.


"Ordering agency???"

Since Edward Snowden allegedly set the time running for the US...I don't see how we could have pretended it did not happen and "wait as long as necessary."


Quote:

But carry on with your own interpretations!


I certainly can offer an opinion on what the article you posted appeared to be saying. Do you interpret it differently?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 5 Jul, 2014 05:07 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
Do you interpret it differently?
Since I read the German websites as well as listen to/watch the various radio and tv reports and news: yes.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sat 5 Jul, 2014 05:10 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Frank Apisa wrote:
"Ordering agency???"
That's indeed not sure - you have several in the USA, and quite a few might have residence in the USA's Berlin embassy.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 5 Jul, 2014 05:12 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
I read it in an English version on line.


Fine. That's why I posted it.
BillRM
 
  1  
Sat 5 Jul, 2014 05:25 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Committe chairman Patrick Sensburg told Reuters news agency that all members communicate with each other using secure cell phones and have safes in their offices to store sensitive documents.


Your nation could follow the Russians example and go back to using manual typewriters in such situations....LOL
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Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 5 Jul, 2014 06:34 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
Do you interpret it differently?
Since I read the German websites as well as listen to/watch the various radio and tv reports and news: yes.


Okay. What is your interpretation?
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revelette2
 
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Sat 5 Jul, 2014 06:35 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
He reportedly obtained his orders directly from the the US embassy.


Do they have proof of this?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 5 Jul, 2014 06:36 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
"Ordering agency???"
That's indeed not sure - you have several in the USA, and quite a few might have residence in the USA's Berlin embassy.


I do not know what an "ordering agency" is.

I'd appreciate you informing me, Walter.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Sat 5 Jul, 2014 06:37 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
I read it in an English version on line.


Fine. That's why I posted it.


Actually, I read it in a BBC report.

revelette2
 
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Sat 5 Jul, 2014 06:50 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Wish it were closed captioned. Would have liked to have heard what she said.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 5 Jul, 2014 07:26 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
I do not know what an "ordering agency" is.

I'd appreciate you informing me, Walter.

What I do know is that the NSA and CIA have agents within the embassy.
It could well be that there are agents from the DIA, MI, INR, I&A or some other.

I really appreciate your confidence, Frank, that I'm educated in everything about spying in Germany. But I don't have other sources than you could have as well - there's no hint online which of those agencies gave the orders to spy on the committee or to deliver the documents or ...

 

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