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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
Olivier5
 
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Thu 12 Jun, 2014 09:53 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
Oh, I also hold in great contempt people like you Frank that for some strange reason would like to sell this nation and what it had stood for since it birth for a nice "safe" police state.

It is also interesting that you feel so very free to tell fellow citizens if they do not care for the actions of the current people in power they should just leave you and people like you to enjoy a police state in the process of being born.

Evidently, Frank hates the freedoms enshrined in the US constitution. Therefore he hates America and what she stands for. He should leave the country asap.
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 12 Jun, 2014 10:39 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
WE are the people in charge of the US government (as we always have been). Once again, you are showing contempt and hatred for the US. You really ought to give your other options some consideration.


Oh, and how is that going to work Frank with a government full of people with no respect for the constitution in power and an out of control intelligence service with the ability to blackmail most of our leadership at their whim?

A government already claiming extra legal powers such as the power to place citizens on a do not fly list without any right to even find out the reasons for being on such a list.

By doing so have even interfere with the right of citizens to return home to be with their families from abroad.

Citizens with no criminal record and who in many cases had serve their nation in the military with honor.

But Frank you are getting what you wish for as far as some of our very best and brightest are leaving the country to be able to work in the fields of internet/computer security without fear of secret government orders.



Apparently you consider yourself to be part of the best and brightest, Bill. Since you continue to consider our government to be beneath contempt...and since you show such scorn for the US...perhaps you should be part of that migration.

I think the US will end up the better to be rid of people who think as you do...although while here, I will continue to defend your right to scorn and loathe this country as much as you want...and as much as you show that you do.
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 12 Jun, 2014 10:44 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Quote:
Oh, I also hold in great contempt people like you Frank that for some strange reason would like to sell this nation and what it had stood for since it birth for a nice "safe" police state.

It is also interesting that you feel so very free to tell fellow citizens if they do not care for the actions of the current people in power they should just leave you and people like you to enjoy a police state in the process of being born.

Evidently, Frank hates the freedoms enshrined in the US constitution. Therefore he hates America and what she stands for. He should leave the country asap.


No I do not hate the freedoms enshrined in the US Constitution...and I do not bad mouth my country...or show the scorn for it that Bill does. I consider the US to be a decent country...with plenty of problems, just like every country I've ever heard of has plenty.

We work 'em out.

I am proud to be here...and I will not spend most of my time heaping hatred and loathing on my country or its citizens, Olivier.

You being a Frenchy should have some greater regard for us, since we were part of the powers that help free your country some 70 years ago.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Thu 12 Jun, 2014 11:09 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

You being a Frenchy should have some greater regard for us, since we were part of the powers that help free your country some 70 years ago.
Well, and since you gave us democracy back: Oliver and I should shut our mouths and thankfully bow our heads while kneeling down in deepest humbleness.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Thu 12 Jun, 2014 11:24 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

You being a Frenchy should have some greater regard for us, since we were part of the powers that help free your country some 70 years ago.
Well, and since you gave us democracy back: Oliver and I should shut our mouths and thankfully bow our heads while kneeling down in deepest humbleness.


I don't think you should be doing anything of the sort. But a bit of gratitude rather than some of the bad-mouthing of us you seem to enjoy so much might be nice.

Do what you want, though. And I will continue to have my say.

But if it weren't for the British, Canadians, and Americans who put their lives on the line in June of 1944...people living in France would be speaking German.

Make light of it if you want. I'm beginning to expect it of you.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 12 Jun, 2014 11:39 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
But a bit of gratitude rather than some of the bad-mouthing of us you seem to enjoy so much might be nice.
Okay. I'm out here.

(And actually, I think, I'll follow those who left A2K, as well.)
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Thu 12 Jun, 2014 12:53 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Since I do think that gratitude isn't a bad sign at all, I'll show it:
► I've gratitude to all those, who enabled the Treaty of Meersen - otherwise I would speak French as native language,
► I'm grateful to the Frisians that Saint Ludger Christianised my ancestors - otherwise I still would fear figures like Wotan and Odin,
► I'm grateful that Henry the Lion, Duke of Saxony, was defeated and we could stay rather calm under the reign of the Prince-Bishops of Münster
► I'm grateful that those allowed the old Saxon laws of name giving to stay in use - otherwise, my family name would have changed at least twice,
► for period from 1939 onwards, I'm grateful for all nations who helped to destroy the Nazi-regime.

Unfortunately, all this gratitude doesn't include biting on my lips when I have a different opinion to those whom I'm acknowledge my gratitude.
This seems to be a bad character trait. But together with the original sin to born as a German, I can live with it.
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 12 Jun, 2014 01:37 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Since I do think that gratitude isn't a bad sign at all, I'll show it:
► I've gratitude to all those, who enabled the Treaty of Meersen - otherwise I would speak French as native language,
► I'm grateful to the Frisians that Saint Ludger Christianised my ancestors - otherwise I still would fear figures like Wotan and Odin,
► I'm grateful that Henry the Lion, Duke of Saxony, was defeated and we could stay rather calm under the reign of the Prince-Bishops of Münster
► I'm grateful that those allowed the old Saxon laws of name giving to stay in use - otherwise, my family name would have changed at least twice,
► for period from 1939 onwards, I'm grateful for all nations who helped to destroy the Nazi-regime.

Unfortunately, all this gratitude doesn't include biting on my lips when I have a different opinion to those whom I'm acknowledge my gratitude.
This seems to be a bad character trait. But together with the original sin to born as a German, I can live with it.


I certainly have not asked you to bite your lip, Walter. In fact, I have invited you to speak your mind.

I have not really asked for gratitude.

I merely mentioned that without the sacrifice of young men from Britain, Canada, and America on the beaches of Normandy...the French might still be under German control.

You seem to be bothered by the fact that I react to your comments about our country. You seem to be bothered by that fact that I do not agree with you that a guy who steals classified state documents and gives them out to people not authorized to have them...should be considered a HERO.

Well...I don't. Many people don't. Granted, many people do...and that is their right...just as it is my right to disagree.

I want to see him tried for the crimes for which he has been charged. If acquitted, he will go free...and I will be absolutely fine with that result. If convicted, he will be sent to prison...and I will be absolutely fine with that result also.

Not sure what your problem is...but there is nothing in there that requires a problem.

Now...if you are finished feeling sorry for yourself, Walter, maybe we can get back to discussing that...if you think it still needs more discussing.
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BillRM
 
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Thu 12 Jun, 2014 01:57 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
I think the US will end up the better to be rid of people who think as you do...although while here, I will continue to defend your right to scorn and loathe this country as much as you want...and as much as you show that you do.


So once more if you have contempt for the current leadership of this nation then you have contempt for the nation?

What a strange strange outlook on life not seen for the most part since royal control of nations ended as in the Germany and Russia royal family ending during and after WW1 and the end of Hitler reign at the end of WW2 and Stalin reign in the 1950s.

You Frank with your strange ability to ID a nation with the leadership of that nation would be far happier under a dictatorship of one kind or another.
BillRM
 
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Thu 12 Jun, 2014 02:01 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Do not allow him to chase you away as if you can no longer put up with Frank just placed him in your ignore list.
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 12 Jun, 2014 02:11 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
I think the US will end up the better to be rid of people who think as you do...although while here, I will continue to defend your right to scorn and loathe this country as much as you want...and as much as you show that you do.


So once more if you have contempt for the current leadership of this nation then you have contempt for the nation?


YOU have contempt for the US, Bill.


Quote:
What a strange strange outlook on life not seen for the most part since royal control of nations ended as in the Germany and Russia royal family ending during and after WW1 and the end of Hitler reign at the end of WW2 and Stalin reign in the 1950s.


Stop with the melodrama, Bill. You are not up to it! And YOU have contempt and scorn for the US.

Quote:
You Frank with your strange ability to ID a nation with the leadership of that nation would be far happier under a dictatorship of one kind or another.


Also stay away from logic. You do not use it very well. Your conclusion does not derive from anything that preceded it.

Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 12 Jun, 2014 02:13 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Do not allow him to chase you away as if you can no longer put up with Frank just placed him in your ignore list.


I have never made an attempt to drive Walter away...and really have not made an attempt to drive you away, Bill.

In your case, I merely pointed out an option you have open to you.

Walter already lives somewhere else, so the fact that he has a low opinion of our country and its leaders should not influence whether he moves or stays where he is.
BillRM
 
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Thu 12 Jun, 2014 02:22 pm
@Frank Apisa,
LOL sorry Frank but you are not the US and having contempt for your opinions as expressed here is not having contempt for the nation first of all and second of all you are the one who bear great contempt for the founding fathers and their wisdom in setting up the framework of the US government.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 12 Jun, 2014 02:23 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

Walter already lives somewhere else, so the fact that he has a low opinion of our country and its leaders should not influence whether he moves or stays where he is. [/b]
You really must not only wear blinkers but eye-patches additionally.
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 12 Jun, 2014 02:28 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

Walter already lives somewhere else, so the fact that he has a low opinion of our country and its leaders should not influence whether he moves or stays where he is. [/b]
You really must not only wear blinkers but eye-patches additionally.


You mean you do not live in Germany, Walter???

C'mon!

If this is a problem with understanding what I wrote...tell me and I will flesh it out. But there is nothing "blind" about the reasoning that went into what I have written here.
Olivier5
 
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Thu 12 Jun, 2014 02:29 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
I think, I'll follow those who left A2K, as well.

PLEASE Walter, do stay... You're one of the best among us, always polite, informative and thoughtful. Just put the punk on ignore and forget about the bad vibes... It's that simple.
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 12 Jun, 2014 02:30 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

LOL sorry Frank but you are not the US and having contempt for your opinions as expressed here is not having contempt for the nation first of all and second of all you are the one who bear great contempt for the founding fathers and their wisdom in setting up the framework of the US government.


Good grief, I wish you would go back and finish the fifth grade, Bill. Your writing and reasoning gets worse and worse with each posting.

Look...just loathe and scorn America. It can survive the likes of you.

Me...I love the place...warts and all.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 12 Jun, 2014 02:32 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Quote:
I think, I'll follow those who left A2K, as well.

PLEASE Walter, do stay... You're one of the best among us, always polite, informative and thoughtful. Just put the punk on ignore and forget about the bad vibes... It's that simple.


Frenchy...you are calling moi a punk!

You wanna see a punk...look in a mirror. The image looking back at ya...that's a punk.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 12 Jun, 2014 02:39 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I have a low opinion of your country ... and I have no idea at all how you got this impression.

I have a low opinion about your country's leaders ... well, about some. I'm against stoning homosexuals, if it's written in the bible or not. I've a low opinion about most tea party ideas. I don't agree with much what is said by Republicans and less with others.
If that in American English is called "low opinion", I have to accept this.
BillRM
 
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Thu 12 Jun, 2014 02:45 pm
@Olivier5,
Oliver5, I think that the ignore function is a good fit for Frank and I am going to be using it.

No one should leaved this thread let alone this website due to him.

 

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