Snowdon is a dummy

Snowden and Bergdahl are two of the sanest, most important Americans of our times.

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Snowden and Bergdahl are two of the sanest, most important Americans of our times.

Snowden and Bergdahl are sons of which America can be justly proud. They told the truth in a world of lies.
Their detractors bring shame on themselves, and on the nation they claim to represent.

...but "someone for whom Americans can feel justifiable pride" MOST ASSUREDLY IS NOT ONE OF THEM

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/02/edward-snowden-father-open-letter

July 2, 2013

Edward Joseph Snowden

Moscow

Dear Edward:

I, Bruce Fein, am writing this letter in collaboration with your father in response to the statement you issued yesterday in Moscow.

Thomas Paine, the voice of the American Revolution, trumpeted that a patriot saves his country from his government.

What you have done and are doing has awakened congressional oversight of the intelligence community from deep slumber; and, has already provoked the introduction of remedial legislation in Congress to curtail spying abuses under section 215 of the Patriot Act and section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. You have forced onto the national agenda the question of whether the American people prefer the right to be left alone from government snooping absent probable cause to believe crime is afoot to vassalage in hopes of a risk-free existence. You are a modern day Paul Revere summoning the American people to confront the growing danger of tyranny and one branch government.

In contrast to your actions, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper responded last March as follows to an unambiguous question raised by Senator Ron Wyden:

"Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?" Clapper testified, "No sir, it does not." Wyden asked for clarification, and Clapper hedged: "Not wittingly. There are cases where they could inadvertently, perhaps, collect, but not wittingly."

Director Clapper later defended his stupendous mendacity to the Senator as the least untruthful answer possible. President Obama has not publicly rebuked the Director for frustrating the right of the people to know what their government is doing and to force changes if necessary through peaceful democratic processes. That is the meaning of government by the consent of the governed. "We the people" are sovereign under the U.S. Constitution, and government officials are entrusted with stewardship (not destruction) of our liberties.

We leave it to the American people to decide whether you or Director Clapper is the superior patriot.

The history of civilization is a history of brave men and women refusing to bow to government wrongdoing or injustice, and exalting knowledge, virtue, wisdom, and selflessness over creature comforts as the North Star of life. We believe your actions fall within that honorable tradition, a conviction we believe is shared by many.

As regards your reduction to de facto statelessness occasioned by the Executive Branch to penalize your alleged violations of the Espionage Act, the United States Supreme Court lectured in Trop v. Dulles (1958): "The civilized nations of the world are in virtual unanimity that statelessness is not to be imposed as punishment for crime."

We think you would agree that the final end of the state is to make men and women free to develop their faculties, not to seek planetary domination through force, violence or spying. All Americans should have a fair opportunity to pursue their ambitions. Politics should not be a football game with winners and losers featuring juvenile taunts over fumbles or missteps.

Irrespective of life's vicissitudes, we will be unflagging in efforts to educate the American people about the impending ruination of the Constitution and the rule of law unless they abandon their complacency or indifference. Your actions are making our challenge easier.

We encourage you to engage us in regular exchanges of ideas or thoughts about approaches to curing or mitigating the hugely suboptimal political culture of the United States. Nothing less is required to pay homage to Valley Forge, Cemetery Ridge, Omaha Beach, and other places of great sacrifice.

Very truly yours,

Bruce Fein

Counsel for Lon Snowden

Lon Snowden

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...but "someone for whom Americans can feel justifiable pride" MOST ASSUREDLY IS NOT ONE OF THEM

Wrong dear heart...

... as we need more men like him who is willing to take protecting the constitution seriously against all enemies both domestic and foreign at great personal cost, even when it come to such enemies as the current Director of National Intelligence Mr. Clapper or sadly even the current President of the US Mr. Obama.

Snowden did a modern day Paul Revere ride in letting us all know the kind of attacks on the Constitution now being done under the cover of secret stamps and secret courts.

Could not agree more with this open letter to Snowden from his father and his father lawyer.

Thank god for men like Snowden.

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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/02/edward-snowden-father-open-letter

July 2, 2013

Edward Joseph Snowden

Moscow

Dear Edward:

I, Bruce Fein, am writing this letter in collaboration with your father in response to the statement you issued yesterday in Moscow.

Thomas Paine, the voice of the American Revolution, trumpeted that a patriot saves his country from his government.

What you have done and are doing has awakened congressional oversight of the intelligence community from deep slumber; and, has already provoked the introduction of remedial legislation in Congress to curtail spying abuses under section 215 of the Patriot Act and section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. You have forced onto the national agenda the question of whether the American people prefer the right to be left alone from government snooping absent probable cause to believe crime is afoot to vassalage in hopes of a risk-free existence. You are a modern day Paul Revere summoning the American people to confront the growing danger of tyranny and one branch government.

In contrast to your actions, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper responded last March as follows to an unambiguous question raised by Senator Ron Wyden:

"Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?" Clapper testified, "No sir, it does not." Wyden asked for clarification, and Clapper hedged: "Not wittingly. There are cases where they could inadvertently, perhaps, collect, but not wittingly."

Director Clapper later defended his stupendous mendacity to the Senator as the least untruthful answer possible. President Obama has not publicly rebuked the Director for frustrating the right of the people to know what their government is doing and to force changes if necessary through peaceful democratic processes. That is the meaning of government by the consent of the governed. "We the people" are sovereign under the U.S. Constitution, and government officials are entrusted with stewardship (not destruction) of our liberties.

We leave it to the American people to decide whether you or Director Clapper is the superior patriot.

The history of civilization is a history of brave men and women refusing to bow to government wrongdoing or injustice, and exalting knowledge, virtue, wisdom, and selflessness over creature comforts as the North Star of life. We believe your actions fall within that honorable tradition, a conviction we believe is shared by many.

As regards your reduction to de facto statelessness occasioned by the Executive Branch to penalize your alleged violations of the Espionage Act, the United States Supreme Court lectured in Trop v. Dulles (1958): "The civilized nations of the world are in virtual unanimity that statelessness is not to be imposed as punishment for crime."

We think you would agree that the final end of the state is to make men and women free to develop their faculties, not to seek planetary domination through force, violence or spying. All Americans should have a fair opportunity to pursue their ambitions. Politics should not be a football game with winners and losers featuring juvenile taunts over fumbles or missteps.

Irrespective of life's vicissitudes, we will be unflagging in efforts to educate the American people about the impending ruination of the Constitution and the rule of law unless they abandon their complacency or indifference. Your actions are making our challenge easier.

We encourage you to engage us in regular exchanges of ideas or thoughts about approaches to curing or mitigating the hugely suboptimal political culture of the United States. Nothing less is required to pay homage to Valley Forge, Cemetery Ridge, Omaha Beach, and other places of great sacrifice.

Very truly yours,

Bruce Fein

Counsel for Lon Snowden

Lon Snowden

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So, you should be agreeing with me that he should come back to the US to clear his name.

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So, you should be agreeing with me that he should come back to the US to clear his name.

When the current group of criminals are no longer in charge of the Department of Justice and the executive branch in general perhaps he will come back to the US but once more dear heart he have no need to clear his name from charges level by such people as are currently running this government such as Clapper who openly lied to congress in front of all of us.

No more then any of the US founding fathers had a duty to turn themselves over to the King Justice.

When the current group of criminals are no longer in charge of the Department of Justice and the executive branch in general perhaps he will come back to the US but once more dear heart he have no need to clear his name from charges level by such people as are currently running this government such as Clapper who openly lied to congress in front of all of us.

No more then any of the US founding fathers had a duty to turn themselves over to the King Justice.

Your constant and relentless bad-mouthing of the United States is noted.

Sounds to me like you would rather live somewhere else. If I did, I guarantee I would have the balls to move somewhere else.

Have you noticed that while the NSA has been dealing with having all of their systems undermined, al-Qa'ida has begun conquering land and creating the foundation of their global caliphate?

The government takes the extraordinary position that by merely serving such a warrant on any US-based email provider, it has the right to obtain the private emails of any subscriber, no matter where in the world the data may be located, and without the knowledge or consent of the subscriber or the relevant foreign government where the data is stored," Microsoft's lawyers argued.

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My god, I did not realize that if we only had not dare to question NSA and it actions in spying on US citizens and such that for example the Iraq government, once we had removed US troops, would not begin to fall apart!!!!!!!!

NSA need to be able to do massive spying on US and EU citizens to stop a global caliphate.

The problem is Snowden providing NSA secrets to al-Qa'ida.

"Iraq falling apart" did provide the opening to al-Qa'ida. However, had the NSA been informed of al-Qa'ida's plans, Obama could have preemptively acted to stop those plans.

The problem is Snowden providing NSA secrets to al-Qa'ida.

Of course Obama could have done something if only the terrorists was not been told that NSA was monitoring internet traffic and cell phone traffic.
They had no idea in the world that the US was doing any such thing until Snowden told them!!!!!!

Sorry but the terrorists was not interests in the massive spying on US citizens or EU citizens that Snowden reveal

and was well aware of the danger to them of the monitoring of internet and other electronic traffic by NSA long before Snowden came along.

Bin Laden compound have computers but no internet access or phone access with all information going by way of human couriers long before Snowden came onto the scene.

To sum up the only secrets that Snowden reveal was secrets being kept from the American people.

Footnote the government could not point to one case where their massive spying on US citizens had resulted in taking down of a terrorist cell.