Snowdon is a dummy

So you think that this story is a fake. Could well be so.

oralloy wrote:

Allies have always spied on each other and they always will. We did nothing wrong.

Don't be getting silly oralloy or assuming we are.
Eddie wouldn't have made such a sacrifice as he has done to expose allies spying on each other.

It was people you are paying, and whose education you have paid for, getting up all your arseholes that Eddie considered unconstitutional. And that is something that has not been always going on.

You really are looking for somebody to lynch.

That does not eliminate the need to defend against allegations that we are wrong to spy on allies.

I agree that this Snowden character considers it unconstitutional. The fact remains, however, that it is not even remotely unconstitutional.

In which case one of you is right and one of you is wrong. You can't really ask an anonymous CIA operative to throw Eddie down an elevator shaft on the basis that you are right. You take no risks.

Which I think he is. By my standards he's a wing-nut. For buying into the sanctity of the Constitution to that extent.

You can't really ask an anonymous CIA operative to throw Eddie down an elevator shaft on the basis that you are right.

You take no risks.

What have you given up in the service of what you think is right?

And if it is not even remotely unconstitutional his risk is an insanity. And you can't throw him down an elevator shaft for being insane. Which I think he is.

However he said that he had more documents to release relating to US spying on countries that include Britain and Brazil.

My guess is Oral is just jerking off.

He's got anger management issues, and throwing up his pent up aggressiveness onto social networks is his way to deal with it.

That's why he fantasizes about burning Italian children alive or bombing the White House.

If I were part of the Secret Service,

Reuters - The U.S. National Security Agency is not routinely collecting visual images of people in the United States or mining photographs taken for U.S. drivers' licenses, the four-star U.S. Navy admiral who runs the spy agency said on Tuesday.

However, Rogers insisted the agency was not collecting such images of U.S. citizens, unless they were linked with an investigation of a foreign subject, and then only after taking the appropriate legal steps.

He [Rogers] said he watched clips of Snowden's recent interview with NBC television and did not believe the former contractor was working for a foreign intelligence agency despite such suggestions by his predecessor, Keith Alexander, and U.S. lawmakers.

Rogers also warned against overhyping national security threats to justify expanding U.S. government powers.

your murderous fantasies

Jerking off blood threats on A2K

Prosecutor announces inquiry but says he will not investigate claims of wider US surveillance against German citizens


Germany's federal prosecutor has opened an investigation over alleged snooping by the US National Security Agency (NSA) on Angela Merkel's mobile phone.

"I informed parliament's legal affairs committee that I have started a preliminary investigation over tapping of a mobile phone of the chancellor," Harald Range said.

The long-anticipated inquiry, which follows allegations last year that US spies had eavesdropped on the German chancellor's mobile in the past, is against unnamed persons, Range said after addressing the committee.

However, he said he had decided against opening an investigation into claims of wider NSA surveillance against German citizens.

The move may again strain Berlin's ties with Washington, which both countries' leaders have been at pains to restore following the reports of sweeping NSA spying on internet and phone communications overseas, described by Merkel as "grave".

Data-sensitive Germans reacted with outrage to the accusations by the fugitive intelligence contractor Edward Snowden amid sensitivity over mass state spying on citizens by the Stasi secret police in the former communist East Germany.

A parliamentary panel has been established to assess the extent of spying by the NSA and its partners on German citizens and politicians, and whether German intelligence aided its activities.

Recent reports that Range did not plan to go ahead with the wider probe had prompted anger from some politicians.

The US president, Barack Obama, sought to quell the international furore over the reports, announcing in January that he had halted spy taps on friendly world leaders and curtailed the reach of mass NSA phone surveillance.

In an interview with a German TV channel a day later he assured Merkel that he would not let intrusive surveillance harm their relationship, but said intelligence gathering on foreign governments would continue.

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The Federal Prosecutor's Office in Karlsruhe opened two "monitoring processes" last year to review the allegations. The first focused on the mass spying of Germans' data by the NSA and the second targeted allegations -- first reported by SPIEGEL in October -- that Merkel's mobile phone had been tapped.

Sources close to the federal prosecutor told SPIEGEL that Range has concluded that there are insufficient reasons for opening an official investigation into the mass spying, although the office still has the option of initiating proceedings at a later date.
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Range has been the subject of massive criticism in recent weeks because the Süddeutsche Zeitung and public broadcasters NDR and WDR reported that he would not launch a formal investigation into the NSA scandal. Range did, however, face massive internal resistance to the initiation of proceedings after suggesting early on that he would likely pursue an investigation.

Range's own staff experts on espionage expressed skepticism about taking on the case because they didn't believe in prospects for success in any proceedings against the NSA for its mass surveillance practices. They argued internally that the US would not cooperate with a request for mutual legal assistance and that the effort would prove futile. Besides, there are open questions about who would even be the focus of the investigation? Obama? Or would it be Snowden himself, who told Germany's Stern magazine last week that he had been "personally involved with information stemming from Germany." Evidence had been stronger for pursuing allegations of spying against Merkel.

But German Justice Minister Heiko Mass of the center-left Social Democratic Party (SPD) said no pressure had been exerted on Range. "From the very beginning, I placed great importance on the federal prosecutor, as the head of the investigative authority, making this decision on his own -- properly and according to law," Mass told German public broadcaster Deutschlandfunk on Wednesday morning. The minister added he was certain Range would do that.

Anger Outweighs Concerns

Political support for an investigation appears to be broad. In the Chancellery, it appears that anger over the spying has outweighed concerns about the negative effect proceedings might have on Berlin's relationship with Washington. Despite several hours of talks with Obama at the beginning of May in Washington, Merkel remains indignant about the spying. During a joint press conference with Obama at the time, she said there could not and would not be a return to business as usual.

Indeed, the German government not only appears ready to deal with anger from the US -- it has also quietly been paving the way for the investigation behind the scenes. In confidential talks, the ministers at the helm of the justice, foreign, interior and economics ministries as well as Merkel's chief of staff at the Chancellery agreed to give free hand to Range if he decides to open preliminary proceedings. It would also be difficult to imagine Range opening an investigation without official support, given that the Justice Ministry can issue orders to the Federal Prosecutor's Office.
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There was some initial criticism on Wednesday over the fact that Range has thus far limited his investigation to the spying on Merkel's mobile phone. Hans-Christian Ströbele, the Green Party representative on the Legal Committee, said "the primary violation at issue is the mass spying."

But the prosecutor's office has made little progress on that aspect of NSA surveillance in recent months. Officials wrote letters and requested information from the Chancellery, Germany's BND foreign intelligence service, the Federal Office for Information Security and the federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, which is in charge of counterintelligence measures. The requests produced little, and the government offices failed to deliver anything that would justify opening formal proceedings.
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But Range can be sure of high-level support for his decision announced on Wednesday, and not just from within the opposition.
"We should stir up as much trouble as possible for domestic policy in America," said Armin Schuster, the man responsible for domestic policy in parliament for Merkel's Christian Democrats. "The effect that could be unleashed with proceedings by the federal prosecutor would be much greater than what parliament can do with its (NSA) investigative committee."

Meanwhile, the SPD's domestic policy point person in parliament, Michael Hartman, said prior to Range's announcement: "With all due respect for the federal prosecutor, it wouldn't be a bad message if he were to at least open preliminary proceedings to show that Germany isn't willing to just put up with anything at all."

However, he does have a one small point, didn't Snowden claim he gave all documents up to journalist? I could be mistaken, but I thought I remembered something like that being said sometime or another.

However he said that he had more documents to release relating to US spying on countries that include Britain and Brazil.

I think that's the fact - Greenwald has them, and Laura Poitras, plus perhaps someone else.