Snowdon is a dummy

@Walter Hinteler,

If Apisa is still rabbiting about countries spying on each other when the whole affair is actually about them spying on themselves in defiance of the Constitution, he is self-evidently trolling.

If he thinks anybody over 15 needs to be continually told that countries spy on each other when they get the chance he must imagine we are all stupid and that he has some big revelation to share. And to share. And share again. And again.

He is being otiose.

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@Walter Hinteler,

It would be something of a stretch to imagine Eddie doing what he has done after finding out the NSA was spying on your government. Then he would really have been a dummy.

As would those who had recruited him to such a sensitive position.

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@Walter Hinteler,

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I really had never before got the idea that by such my liberties can be secured.

That you never thought that before Walt does not mean it can be ruled out.

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@spendius,

D'accord.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Our technology almost guarantees that personal privacy will be less and less available with each passing day. And that, of course, means that the privacy of countries in general will be less.

We can moan and groan all we want...but the future is already here.

Hitler might have said something similar to that. Change the "We" to "They" and the "we" to "they".

Why then doesn't Obarmy stand up and say, "The American people have decided through the authority they have freely vested in the President, (twice) to place the American people under surveillance and folks (shrugs with an inchoate sheepish grin), it can't be helped. It's the way of the world I'm afraid. Goodnight. (waves). God bless America. (jogs down the four steps from the stage with arms in broody hen position and without recourse to the safety rails on either side)."

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@Walter Hinteler,

So it is known that the US spies on the German government and it's citizens from the facilities it has located in Berlin and those other locations you mentioned? It has been proven? Or just proven that the US had spied on the Chancellor and German citizens?

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@revelette2,

The government finally admits they have done warrantless searches against Americans. That Obama would approve such actions as a Constitutional Lawyer is mind-boggling. They have intentionally broken the laws of the land, spied on our allies, and have endangered high tech commerce for American companies.

http://news.yahoo.com/us-confirms-warrantless-searches-americans-213242088--politics.html

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@cicerone imposter,

whine whine whine, CI, all y'all do is whine.

What about all the poor innocents around the world that y'all have so royally fucked over?

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

So it is known that the US spies on the German government and it's citizens from the facilities it has located in Berlin and those other locations you mentioned? It has been proven? Or just proven that the US had spied on the Chancellor and German citizens?

"Known", "proven" - no.

According to (especially) the Snowden papers, "yes".
But of course, all is denied by the US.

So it's just a "good guess".

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@Walter Hinteler,

My sense of things Walt is that the most effective method of spying is a careful study of publications and broadcasts in the country of interest.

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@spendius,

Yo, Spendy, consider the small matter of censorship.

Publications and broadcasts are only made with permission and under licence. (prior to the Internet, that is)

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@McTag,

The parking meters can be watched Mac.

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@cicerone imposter,

Actually they haven't broken the laws the land at present.

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These searches were authorized by a secret surveillance court in 2011, but it was unclear until Tuesday whether any such searches on Americans had been conducted.

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@revelette2,

I've looked it up again:
- the US-embassy is doubtless outside the reach of German authorities
- the barracks in Grafenwöhr (US Army) and the facilities in Wiesbaden (NSA) enjoy a very similar status due to the NATO Status of Forces Agreement (1959 et seqq., [article 3]). In conjunction with various supplementary agreements even, if troops/personal in there aren't under NATO-command or NATO-related.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Oh, Well, I can still see why you would (or anyone really concerned with privacy or sovereignty) wouldn't care for the US to spying on them, much less on their own soil.

Like Frank, I think privacy is a thing of the past. Nevertheless, I think there should be an attempt at regulating and limiting it, from companies, the government and individuals. I don't think countries should spy on other countries unless they have some reason to think that country is a threat to said country.

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@revelette2,

I think, too, that privacy is is a thing of the past: we lost it during the Nazi-period, those in the GDR even didn't get it back until 1990, and now we are in the past periods again.

Even under these circumstances: we still have our constitution and valid laws ...

But since you Americans obviously don't mind that the NSA performs warrantless searches on emails and phone calls of US-citizens (Clapper confirmed this), I can understand that you have a different attitude here.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

But since you Americans obviously don't mind that the NSA performs warrantless searches on emails and phone calls of US-citizens (Clapper confirmed this), I can understand that you have a different attitude here.

Oops, no. Not all, not really: Senators Wyden and Udall said the NSA’s warrantless searches of Americans’ emails and phone calls "should be concerning to all".

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@Walter Hinteler,

Apparently it warrantless spying from foreign data they already possess which was approved by the secret court in 2011. I think the way it connects to US citizens is if they run some kind of data search that connects the foreign conversations to US citizens.

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@revelette2,

The "secret surveillance court" has no authority to break the laws of our Constitution.

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The Fourth Amendment and Unreasonable Searches and Seizures

The Fourth Amendment provides:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized

- See more at: http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-rights/search-and-seizure-law.html#sthash.z7nyMBsO.dpuf

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Evidenced discovered by an illegal search and seizure is generally inadmissible in court under what is known as the "exclusionary rule". This means that even if the murder weapon was found and can conclusively establish that a suspect killed someone, if it was obtained through an illegal search and seizure, then it is generally not admissible. - See more at: http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-rights/search-and-seizure-law.html#sthash.z7nyMBsO.dpuf

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@revelette2,

There are people who would have our Constitution become a suicide note. Luckily, there are many who see this as foolishness...and will allow the functions of government to continue.

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