Snowdon is a dummy

@BillRM,

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He have no moral obligation to subject himself to the judgement of the current US government any more then a conductor of an underground railroad station had the moral obligation to turn himself into the government of any of the southern states.

No, he doesn't. He can keep hiding for as long as he likes.

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footnote: after the Lincoln Assassination the US government round up everyone with any connection to Booth including the landlady of the boarding house Booth was staying at and gave them a "fair" trial and hung them all.

And????

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The landlady son was also charge with the same charges as his mother but he ran to the Canadian border and did not get drag back to the US until 1866

And????

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After turning himself in after the emotions had died down he was found innocent of all charges and live out his remaining life in peace.

Maybe that is what will happen with your "hero."

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Hopefully Snowden can some day return to the US and get a "fair" trial but now is not the time any more then it was for John Surratt as if he had done so he would had hung right by his mother.

I won't pretend that I know what would have happened. But I do know this is not the 19th century...it is now.

And Snowden is charged with some serious crimes...and I want very much for him to get a fair trial.

You apparently don't.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank: I know what I'd do if I were in that situation.

Me too, Frank. You'd have fled to Sicily.

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@Olivier5,

I call you Romeo because you could be his sock puppet, albeit a slightly brainier one.

Still unable to actually describe a golden USA moment, O. One with facts.

Not to worry. The good folks of A2K haven't been able to do so either.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank: At least I have the spine to address remarks to the people for whom I intend them...rather than the cowardly way you do things.

Frank, oh Frank!! Can you hear me? Could you expand on how you have spine?

I don't think frank can hear me. I wonder why.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank: At least I have the spine to address remarks to the people for whom I intend them...rather than the cowardly way you do things.

As Frank discusses CI, Spendi, me, ... with MiT or Rev or ... .

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@Frank Apisa,

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I won't pretend that I know what would have happened. But I do know this is not the 19th century...it is now.

And Snowden is charged with some serious crimes...and I want very much for him to get a fair trial.

You apparently don't.

Human nature have not change in the last hundred and fifty years or so that I am aware of.

There is no moral right to think he should stand trial until and if the government also charge members of their own executive branch for the crimes that Snowden was brave enough to exposed.

Kind of amusing to see a gentleman that we all know had lied to congress still holding his position and testifying in front of congress again on C-Span.

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@JPB,

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Long, but very interesting, expose on 'the deep state' by a former congressional staffer.

Yes JT--quite interesting. A bit old hat but still interesting. It begs rather a lot of questions too.

With Putin throwing life-lines and providing running room there's a hint of a High State to which all the same considerations apply. How members of the High State qualify being on no concern. Being in charge is decisive.

Huxley's World Controllers. Which is old hat too.

Did you not mind the "..." and the colour scheme?

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank: But the only way to find out is to face trial...

Or maybe, just maybe, have those government of the people by the people for the people people actually act on the propagandist spiels they so adore.

How come the people of the Ukraine can do it?

How come the people living under USA brutal dictators can do it but the folks of the land of the brave are too frightened by make believe boogeyman to hold their government to the much mouthed principles that came from the founding dads?

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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I won't pretend that I know what would have happened. But I do know this is not the 19th century...it is now.

And Snowden is charged with some serious crimes...and I want very much for him to get a fair trial.

You apparently don't.

Human nature have not change in the last hundred and fifty years or so that I am aware of.

Things have changed a lot during the last 150 years...and would be surprised if there are not aspects of human nature that have not.

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There is no moral right to think he should stand trial until and if the government also charge members of their own executive branch for the crimes that Snowden was brave enough to exposed.

I have no idea of how you make the connection...except that you have your notions of him being a hero set in concrete.

Me...I am still willing to leave it to a jury...and I am not willing yet to suppose my country has fallen so far that we cannot even trust the ordinary person who will make up the jury.

But some people (apparently you, for instance) cannot think of enough negative things to say about the American people and its government.

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Kind of amusing to see a gentleman that we all know had lied to congress still holding his position and testifying in front of congress again on C-Span.

I'll take your word for that. Please enjoy it.

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@Frank Apisa,

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..rather than the cowardly way you do things.

How's that MiT for your Mr Nice Guy?

Why don't you reply to some of my posts Apisa. And don't give me that shite about me not respecting you. There's nothing to respect.

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@JTT,

LOL... You're just another hater with a big mouth, JTT. Sad that our side of the debate be tarnished by you, but then the other side has Frank so we're even... Smile

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@Frank Apisa,

The reason I don't usually post to you has nothing to do with your lack of spine. It is just that you can't hear what people try and tell you. Posting to you is an exercise in futility.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Things have changed a lot during the last 150 years...and would be surprised if there are not aspects of human nature that have not.

Sorry evolution does not work on that tinny time scale unless you are talking about fruit flies

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Me...I am still willing to leave it to a jury...and I am not willing yet to suppose my country has fallen so far that we cannot even trust the ordinary person who will make up the jury.

Too many people are like you who think that the government is god and can not be question to trust that the government will made such an error as to allow free thinkers onto a jury.

An Snowden once more is under no moral obligation to subject himself to a trial by the current corrupt government.

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@spendius,

Spendi: yes JT.

No, "Yes, JPB".

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@Olivier5,

Still not able to provide one itsy bitsy teeney weeny instance, Olivier. What do you consider your "side of the debate" - the one that makes excuses for war criminals and terrorists - all based on a dismal knowledge of history?

That IS Frank Apisa in a nutshell.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

The reason I don't usually post to you has nothing to do with your lack of spine. It is just that you can't hear what people try and tell you. Posting to you is an exercise in futility.

Yeah, Olivier...I think it does have to do with your lack of spine.

I have many things to say; I say them clearly; and they usually make plenty of sense...except for people who are not looking for that in a posting.

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@JPB,

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Long, but very interesting, expose on 'the deep state' by a former congressional staffer. I'm still reading…

Jee... I though "deep state" was an Egyptian expression to describe the permanence of an authoritarian state in spite of whatever minor changes happen at the top...

It suits the present state of the US perfectly. The president is purely decorative.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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Things have changed a lot during the last 150 years...and would be surprised if there are not aspects of human nature that have not.

Sorry evolution does not work on that tinny time scale unless you are talking about fruit flies

Please...don't start with philosophy or science. Things have changed in the last 150 years...and I understand that you are unable to see that.

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Me...I am still willing to leave it to a jury...and I am not willing yet to suppose my country has fallen so far that we cannot even trust the ordinary person who will make up the jury.

Too many people are like you who think that the government is god and can not be question to trust that the government will made such an error as to allow free thinkers onto a jury.

I do not think the government is a god...nor do I think it cannot be questioned. But I am not willing to show the scorn and contempt you show for America, its people and its government.

You are free to do so, of course. It is a free country.

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An Snowden once more is under no moral obligation to subject himself to a trial by the current corrupt government.

I said he can stay in exile.

Can you post anything without showing how much contempt your have for America?

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@Frank Apisa,

You? Naaaah!

You have usually a coupe of ideas per month. And you repeat them ad nauseam. As if everybody else was in their second childhood too...

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank: You are free to do so, of course. It is a free country.

Then why are you always telling Bill et al to move to FITB?

Frank: Can you post anything without showing how much contempt your have for America?

Rolling Eyes

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