Snowdon is a dummy

@revelette2,

You can always ignore posters if you don't think they contribute much...

@revelette2,

The opinion of the NY Federal judge William Pauley seems very politically tainted, surprisingly so for a legal document...

Here is the opening paragraph:

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The September 11th terrorist attacks revealed, in the starkest terms, just how dangerous and interconnected the world is. While Americans depended on technology for the conveniences of modernity, al-Qaeda plotted in a seventh-century milieu to use that technology against us. It was a bold jujitsu. And it succeeded because conventional intelligence gathering could not detect diffuse filaments connecting al-Qaeda.

Some strange legalese... :-/

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@JPB,

I would incline to that view JPB.

In fact just the same sort that had evaded conscription (see my last post) and were bent on showing their loyalty to the lads in the trenches by torturing the conscientious objectors.

And pointlessly too because a CO who agrees to join up to evade the torture isn't going to be much use to the general when he gets there. Now is he? I ask you. He is highly likely to be dysfunctional and his presence being a hindrance to the war effort. (Ladies were exempt in those days and I assume they would be now if conscription became necessary again--keep your eye on Kiev.)

Double the wages and talk about French country wenches and you would have had more recruits than there were uniforms for. The swilling in Washington, and its tendrils, having to be reduced as a consequence. History shows that such a catastrophe can only happen at the hands of the enemy. Which stops it altogether.

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@Olivier5,

You weren't able to describe for me a time of the golden age for the USA, a time when they followed their principles, Olivier.

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@Olivier5,

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The September 11th terrorist attacks revealed, in the starkest terms, just how dangerous and interconnected the world is.

Yeah--and who ******* made the world so dangerous and interconnected on behalf of the mercantile classes. Some of whom are richer than some countries and might have to be reined in in case they become richer than your country. Which they will become when they can operate in the dark with impunity. And more powerful than your government. But never showing the whites of their eyes.

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@Olivier5,

Yeah, it was somewhat.

On the posters, it was pretty hard considering for pages they were only ones posting, someone says this, someone calls someone stupid back...on and on it went. But I guess I am not the thread police. I'll refrain, or at least attempt to.

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@JTT,

There must have been some golden ages JT. Striking a good seam in the goldfields and moseying into town with a little bag of estimable jewels for a weekend in the saloons, where gutsy broads from the east had dragged themselves to on hearing accounts of the rich pickings, must have had its golden side.

There are no golden ages, leaving out the Garden of Eden. There are snatched intervals of them. Not often in bad weather. Except at Aspen. Or tornado chasing.

Usually in the springtime to late summer.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
It seems these guys consider asking them to keep an open mind is an insult.

I don't know whom exactly you mean with "these guys".
But I suggest, you don't outlaw yourself from keeping an open mind.

I keep an open mind always, Walter.

And the guys I referred to as refusing to do so...did NOT include you. You are a very open minded individual...and I think you have been even handed in the material you've presented. (ci and Olivier have minds tightly shut...and I have told them so in the past. Spendius also...but I will not reply to him until he meets my demands for conversation...which I honestly hope he does not do.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

The opinion of the NY Federal judge William Pauley seems very politically tainted, surprisingly so for a legal document...

Here is the opening paragraph:

Quote:
The September 11th terrorist attacks revealed, in the starkest terms, just how dangerous and interconnected the world is. While Americans depended on technology for the conveniences of modernity, al-Qaeda plotted in a seventh-century milieu to use that technology against us. It was a bold jujitsu. And it succeeded because conventional intelligence gathering could not detect diffuse filaments connecting al-Qaeda.

Some strange legalese... :-/

TRANSLATION: Judge Paley has an opinion that differs from Olivier"s.

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@Frank Apisa,

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And the guys I referred to as refusing to do so...did NOT include you. You are a very open minded individual...and I think you have been even handed in the material you've presented. (ci and Olivier have minds tightly shut...and I have told them so in the past. Spendius also...but I will not reply to him until he meets my demands for conversation...which I honestly hope he does not do.

I've seen many a woman use that trick. Playing up to one guy for no other reason than to aggravate another.

I wonder if Apisa thinks that if the charge of damaging American security was punishable by crucifixion in Times Square on the next public holiday it would have deterred Eddie from doing what he did.

By declaring that my mind is "tightly shut" he has absolved himself from answering that. Ain't that cute folks? The security of the USA and American lives is put in the balance with Apisa's squeamishness.

Which is a function of Christianity and found nowhere else in the history of societies.

PS. And I don't give a **** what he hopes. Apisa doesn't do conversation. He's looking for reassurance and when he gets it he declares it stems from open minds. When he doesn't it from tightly shut minds.

No wonder JTT is frustrated.

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@JTT,

When they fought against the axis.

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@spendius,

Frank doesn't address questions posed to him, because that's too much commitment for him; after all, all his opinions are only guesses. Mr. Green

Frank, most of us don't give a **** what other judges say about the Constitution and privacy. That there are judges who say that what the NSA is doing is illegal and some say it's legal is NOT THE QUESTION. Tell me from your 'understanding' of the English language, how my opinion differs from the Constitution on privacy?

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@revelette2,

Even stylistically, since when is seventh-century jujitsu any concern for a judge?

As for the exchange of insults on this and other threads, best to just ignore it if you ask me.

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@Olivier5,

O5:
Re: JTT (Post 5587046)
When they fought against the axis.

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Is that the only time, Olivier?

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@JTT,

1st WW, they came late into the fray but fought gallantly in the end... The creation of the Society of Nations and the UN are to be credited to US leadership...

Spendius said it best: there is no golden age, only moments of grace. Or something like that...

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@spendius,

spendi said it best,

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PS. And I don't give a **** what he hopes. Apisa doesn't do conversation. He's looking for reassurance and when he gets it he declares it stems from open minds. When he doesn't it from tightly shut minds.

All while Frank calls others names and innuendos about "shut minds," he never bothers to look at himself! He won't even answer simple questions. Mr. Green

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Frank doesn't address questions posed to him, because that's too much commitment for him; after all, all his opinions are only guesses.

Frank, most of us don't give a **** what other judges say about the Constitution and privacy. That there are judges who say that what the NSA is doing is illegal and some say it's legal is NOT THE QUESTION. Tell me from your 'understanding' of the English language, how my opinion differs from the Constitution on privacy?

I address questions, ci...and I respond reasonably.

Yeah...much of the stuff offered here, by me and others are opinions and guesses.

And I understand you think your opinion of what the Constitution actually says should be decided by you rather than the SCOTUS.

In fact, I laugh about it often...and with gusto. Wink

The Constitution, ci, means whatever the SCOTUS says it does...and your opinion means nothing.

Thanks for the laughs.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

spendi said it best,
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PS. And I don't give a **** what he hopes. Apisa doesn't do conversation. He's looking for reassurance and when he gets it he declares it stems from open minds. When he doesn't it from tightly shut minds.

All while Frank calls others names and innuendos about "shut minds," he never bothers to look at himself! He won't even answer simple questions.

I have answered your question, ci. Your opinion of what the words mean...and what I think about them and your opinion...mean nothing. The SCOTUS decides what they mean!

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@Frank Apisa,

By the way...there was no innuendo....you have a tightly shut mind...and I said that quite clearly.

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@Olivier5,

Here is a snatched golden moment--

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As I walked out tonight in the mystic garden
The wounded flowers were dangling from the vine
I was passing by yon cool crystal fountain
Someone hit me from behind.

The first verse of Bob Dylan's amazing song Ain't Talkin'. A flash of a golden moment from beginning to end. A movie to well read people. Think of the mystic gardens of Proust and Boccaccio and Omar and many others. So it's evening and it's been a warm day and a stroll is in order in the fountain cooled garden of crystal clarity like a carp in the pool, "oppressed by boredom, would heave itself out of the water with an anxious gasp", and the flowers are resting from the heat of the day or the attentions they have given to the bees, knackering work, and with a bump at the end. One not seen coming. And he has recovered and is telling the tale of a past experience as a troubadour might. A universal one too for individuals and for cultures. Dylan at his fearsome best. (Apart from Tambourine Man of course). Like Proust explains, with many a beautiful digression, how to write a book these days and how it is meant to be read, so Dylan explains how to read the song. And you get a bunch of other movies which are not so golden. But with a chat up line at the end with the lady he has met there earlier as he tells her of his previous experience/s hoping to elicit that sympathy ladies have for wounded animals of the cute type.

I should try Proust again Olivier and read it slowly with never a thought that it is being read in order to say it has been read or being in any hurry. You're supposed to wallow in it. What it is like in French I cannot imagine. It must be ten times as good.

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