Snowdon is a dummy

@anonymously99,

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@Walter Hinteler,

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have been under surveillance (or still are?).

Monitoring my masturbation moments, ay?

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@anonymously99,

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@Walter Hinteler,

It's been reported now in other English/US media as well: a range of tactics were used to monitor Internet traffic to Wikileaks. Operatives reportedly tapped into fiber optics cables and other parts of the ‘backbone’ of the Internet in order to collect the IP addresses of visitors to Wikileaks, details of search terms used to find the site, and more, and more, and more ....

What I want to say is that the NSA and GCHQ not mainly defend the national security and spy on suspected terrorists as has been said.
But are just 'ordinary floppy hat spies', like the ... well, like those we had had here in Germany and in the GDR.

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@Walter Hinteler,

I want to add that the " WikiLeaks investigation" might have been a Category 2 terrorism case.
For details (published yesterday) see report here: "Newly published secret grand jury orders & other docs shed light on US investigation of WikiLeaks now entering 5th yr".

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@Walter Hinteler,

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Operatives reportedly tapped into fiber optics cables and other parts of the ‘backbone’ of the Internet in order to collect the IP addresses of visitors to Wikileaks,

Tor is your friend unless you would care to find yourself on the no fly list.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

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No, I do not speak from ignorance...although I will acknowledge that it is a guess. But it is a guess based on what I see you write day after day in this forum...and I do not see it as an unreasonable guesss.

Yes, it's ignorance.

NO...it is not ignorance, ci.

You apparently feel a compulsion to use words like "ignorant", "stupid", "idiot" and the like on anyone who is of a different opinion from you.

It is a habit you ought really to break...if y0u can.

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What you have failed to see and read are all the positives I've written about Obama...

I read every word you write, ci...and I do not pull this "on ignore" nonsense on you.

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...his saving the auto industry, his ability to keep our economy growing even as the Tea Party attempts to destroy his administration, and the ACA, although it's not the best health care system that could have involved more savings (of which I've detailed early on), and my support when posters wrote negative opinions about Obama that I found to be outright lies or not true.

Fine...perhaps you have. And nowhere have I minimized that.

But your constant harping about the government has been ceaseless...and your contempt and scorn for the things that almost of necessity must happen in a democratic government has been relentless.

And if you cannot see that...that is a problem with you, not with me.

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Yes, he lost my respect when he lied once too often, and responded to my letter about lifting the embargo against Cuba.

You have, in my opinion, a naive understanding of letters to elected officials...and about the nature of their responses. And you are, once again in my opinion, way, way too black and white in your approach to how things get done in a complicated world...where politicians are seeking to meet the requests, demands, and sensibilities of people who are 180 degrees out of synch with each other.

Democracy is NOT an easy thing...and governing in a democracy is one of the most difficult undertakings imaginable. And when it is attempted in a society as polarized as ours...with people who have become virtually ungovernable...it is going to move at a glacial pace.

You apparently cannot take that into reasonable consideration in your condemnations.

In any case, if you fill a need in your life by calling me ignorant...or by the regular insulting posts you make to others about me...by all means, ci...do it. That is your right...and I would fight anyone who would seek to limit your right to do so.

But you have done it so often and regularly...that I will respond in kind.

So knock yourself out.

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And so that I do not give short shrift to the actual topic of the thread...I want to thank Walter for the information he presents so regularly.

The Snowden situation, in my opinion, will eventually be seen as the tip of an iceberg that will somehow treat the US the way another iceberg once treated Titanic.

More and more intelligence people will be emboldened to reveal more and more classified information...for more and more varied reasons. And soon, almost any reason will be sufficient to open the doors.

We'll see if this nation can withstand the damage that will do to required security measures. I suspect that future generations of what we now call Americans...will consider some of the people who feel just fine with Snowden's conduct...to be myopic about the overall picture.

He should be tried on the charges. Let the courts decide if what he did was right or wrong.

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@Frank Apisa,

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More and more intelligence people will be emboldened to reveal more and more classified information...for more and more varied reasons. And soon, almost any reason will be sufficient to open the doors.

Perhaps you are correct.
And perhaps you didn't get what kind of "classified information" has been revealed via the Snowden documents.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
More and more intelligence people will be emboldened to reveal more and more classified information...for more and more varied reasons. And soon, almost any reason will be sufficient to open the doors.

Perhaps you are correct.
And perhaps you didn't get what kind of "classified information" has been revealed via the Snowden documents.

I understand quite clearly what has been revealed, Walter.

But things like this feed on themselves...and once actions like this are justified because of the content...the next bit of content may not be so palatable. In fact, I would bet that the next bit of content will not be.

That was my point.

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@Frank Apisa,

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More and more intelligence people will be emboldened to reveal more and more classified information...for more and more varied reasons. And soon, almost any reason will be sufficient to open the doors.

That what does happen when you build a trillion dollars intelligence community with some some ridiculous numbers of direct and indirect employees any of whom can rightfully decide that to do massive spying on your own citizens is morally wrong and against the constitution that he or she had taken an oath to uphold.

As long as the intelligence community have hundreds of thousands of employees and is aiming a large percent of it total resources against it own people that will indeed happen again and again.....thanks god.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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More and more intelligence people will be emboldened to reveal more and more classified information...for more and more varied reasons. And soon, almost any reason will be sufficient to open the doors.

That what does happen when you build a trillion dollars intelligence community with some some ridiculous numbers of direct and indirect employees any of whom can rightfully decide that to do massive spying on your own citizens is morally wrong and against the constitution that he or she had taken an oath to uphold.

As long as the intelligence community have hundreds of thousands of employees and is aiming a large percent of it total resources against it own people that will indeed happen again and again.....thanks god.

And, because of the reaction people like you to what Snowden did, Bill...more and more intelligence will be compromised.

We'll see where that leads.

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@cicerone imposter,

CI: prevents you from seeing some truths about capitalism, and how the US was able to remain the most productive since WWII

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The USA is the most "productive" because it is the biggest thief.

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@Frank Apisa,

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And, because of the reaction people like you to what Snowden did, Bill...more and more intelligence will be compromised.

As it should be compromise until the massive spying on the population come to an end and NSA and such go back to their charter of focusing on foreign risks to our nation and not do massive spying just because with 100 of billions budget the technology allow them to do so.

Currently the US intelligence community is far more of a threat to our freedoms and democracy then any foreign threat could ever be.

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@BillRM,

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And, because of the reaction people like you to what Snowden did, Bill...more and more intelligence will be compromised.

As it should be compromise until the massive spying on the population come to an end and NSA and such go back to their charter of focusing on foreign risks to our nation and not do massive spying just because with 100 of billions budget the technology allow them to do so.

I do not want you or Edward Snowden deciding what should or should not be done in the interests of the national defense.

You are, in my opinion, one of those myopic people I spoke of earlier, Bill. You have a right to be...but neither you nor Snowden was elected to make the kinds of decisions you are talking about.

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Currently the US intelligence community is far more of a threat to our freedoms and democracy then any foreign threat could ever be.

Perhaps in your mind and that of Edward Snowden...but that is not how things operate here.

The sad part is that if (when) another attack comes...you will be one of the people leading the pissing and moaning that the government didn't do enough to prevent that kind of thing.

You, Bill, are one of those people who want to make our Constitution into a suicide pact.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank wrote - as his guess,

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I understand quite clearly what has been revealed, Walter.

But things like this feed on themselves...and once actions like this are justified because of the content...the next bit of content may not be so palatable. In fact, I would bet that the next bit of content will not be.

Fear mongering works to the uninformed. That'd be you!

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From the Guardian's report US intelligence chief: NSA should have been more open about data collection

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His [Clapper's] admission contradicts months of warnings, from his office and from elsewhere in the administration, that disclosure of the bulk data collection jeopardized US national security.
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But Clapper’s admission also reflects a fight to preserve, in a modified form, the NSA’s authorities to collect phone data in bulk at a time of great flux.
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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Frank wrote - as his guess,
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I understand quite clearly what has been revealed, Walter.

But things like this feed on themselves...and once actions like this are justified because of the content...the next bit of content may not be so palatable. In fact, I would bet that the next bit of content will not be.

Fear mongering works to the uninformed. That'd be you!

No fear mongering on my part, ci. You just want to scorn the US government. I cannot understand why you don't join Snowden in Russia...where you can have real freedom.

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@Frank Apisa,

I have visited Russia twice, and enjoyed myself tremendously; what has that got to do with where I live?

Your idea about being a good American citizen is lost in your blindness for what our Constitution is all about.

You're the one who's lost in your "guesses;" mostly wrong headed and without much knowledge about Americanism.

In this country, we are free to speak our minds about what our government does wrong without fear of any consequence.

You've forgotten this simple concept about our country.

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@Frank Apisa,

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I cannot understand why you don't join Snowden in Russia...where you can have real freedom.

Perhaps c.i. knows better than you do, Frank, about restrictions for asylum seekers .... not only in Russia, by the way! (Besides that: what do you suggest, c.i. could use as a reason for seeking asylum?)

Oh, and perhaps you read what the security boss said .... who now acknowledged until now (sic!) that the initial secrecy surrounding the program was ill-considered.

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