Snowdon is a dummy

@revelette2,

From where ever you copied this article,

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A damage assessment by the Defense Intelligence Agency indicates most of the estimated 1.7 million classified documents that officials say Snowden copied from NSA computers involve U.S. military operations, said committee Chairman Mike D. Rogers (R-Mich.) and the ranking Democrat, Rep. C.A. Dutch Ruppersberger of Maryland.

Show us one article based on Snowden's release of information to the media that applies to US military operations? ONE (out of 1.7 million classified documents).

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@revelette2,

There was almost unanimous support from both reps and dems for the Iraq war. And that war was nevertheless a mistake and a fiasco.

What did you think of the people who called you anti-American and non-patriotic for opposing the Iraq war?

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@Olivier5,

I was one of those America haters who wrote to Senator Feinstein not to approve the war in Iraq. Guess who was right?

We ended up killing tens of thousands of innocent people including the loss of our own sons and daughters and trillions of dollars to boot.

Frank doesn't want us un-Americans to speak up when our government does wrong, because they have more information than we do!

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

You wrote,
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ci makes frequent personal comments about me...and I am returning them in kind.

Far from being "in kind," but you wouldn't understand those simple concepts.

You also wouldn't understand that the very people who are supposed to protect us, our government, are breaking laws. They're the ones who needs to be charged with a crime and taken to a court of law. It's called the Constitution of the US.

AFTER THAT HAPPENS, I'll agree that Snowden can return to the US to face his accusers.

This would be the PROPER SEQUENCE if you believe in the fairness of our laws and court system.

That is you normal way of posting, ci...claiming that the people you are addressing are lacking in understanding.

I understand as much as you do about these issues. We simply disagree after our assessment.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

They try to rationalize their position with lies and innuendos. They're blind to their own lies.

Right. We disagree with you...so in your mind, we have to be lying.

The blindness, ci...is on your part...not ours.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

I was one of those America haters who wrote to Senator Feinstein not to approve the war in Iraq. Guess who was right?

We ended up killing tens of thousands of innocent people including the loss of our own sons and daughters and trillions of dollars to boot.

Frank doesn't want us un-Americans to speak up when our government does wrong, because they have more information than we do!

I have never suggested that you not oppose policy that you truly oppose.

But we disagree on somethings...and your response to anyone who disagrees with you seems always to be scorn.

Try to get over that!

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While Laura Poitras, Glenn Greenwald, Ewen MacAskill and Barton Gellman will receive Polk Awards for revealing extent of secret US surveillance programs, Jesselyn Radack, a human rights lawyer representing Edward Snowden, has claimed that she was detained and questioned in a "very hostile" manner on Saturday by London Heathrow Airport's Customs agents. She says that she's on the "inhibited persons list" (a designation used by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security to require further vetting of certain passengers) and was subjected to "very hostile questioning" about Snowden and her trips to Russia for nine hours ...
(Source: reuters, NPR et. al.)

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@Frank Apisa,

You,

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I understand as much as you do about these issues. We simply disagree after our assessment.

No, you don't! That's a fact you can "take to the bank." The only people I'm addressing are the few of you who believes our government can do no wrong, and we should not question whatever they wish to do in our name (their breaking the laws of the land).

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@Walter Hinteler,

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"inhibited persons list" (a designation used by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security to require further vetting of certain passengers) and was subjected to "very hostile questioning" about Snowden and her trips to Russia for nine hours

Love the idea that the US government can interfere with the freedom of US citizens to travel and there is no recourse or oversight when placed on such a list up to the no-fly list by unnamed government bureaucrats using secrets guidelines to do so.

Even going so far in some cases of stopping US citizens including even citizens that had service with honor in our military from returning to the US.

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@Olivier5,

Considering I have not called anyone an anti-American, I fail to see the relevance. In fact most of animosity seems to come from folks such CI and others towards people like Frank and moment-in-time, me and others for voicing disagreement with them.

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@revelette2,

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from folks such CI and others towards people like Frank and moment-in-time, me and others for voicing disagreement with them.

LOL did any of us suggest that Frank and MIT and others such should leave the country or are cowards or even hate the US and so on????????

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

While Laura Poitras, Glenn Greenwald, Ewen MacAskill and Barton Gellman will receive Polk Awards for revealing extent of secret US surveillance programs,

Unfortunate.

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Jesselyn Radack, a human rights lawyer representing Edward Snowden, has claimed that she was detained and questioned in a "very hostile" manner on Saturday by London Heathrow Airport's Customs agents. She says that she's on the "inhibited persons list" (a designation used by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security to require further vetting of certain passengers) and was subjected to "very hostile questioning" about Snowden and her trips to Russia for nine hours ...
(Source: reuters, NPR et. al.)

Also unfortunate. But the words "heat" and "kitchen" come immediately to mind.

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@BillRM,

No, but neither did I.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

You,
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I understand as much as you do about these issues. We simply disagree after our assessment.

No, you don't!

Yeah, ci...I really do.

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That's a fact you can "take to the bank." The only people I'm addressing are the few of you who believes our government can do no wrong, and we should not question whatever they wish to do in our name (their breaking the laws of the land).

Actually...you are addressing everyone who is a member of A2K...and anyone who visits.

Since you know so much...you should have know that.

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

Considering I have not called anyone an anti-American, I fail to see the relevance. In fact most of animosity seems to come from folks such CI and others towards people like Frank and moment-in-time, me and others for voicing disagreement with them.

Yes...we dare to disagree with them.

I appreciate you wanting me to tone things down, by the way, but these days I am not particularly inclined to give an inch. In any case, i'll try to lighten up a little.

and after the snow melts....I'll be a lamb. Wink

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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from folks such CI and others towards people like Frank and moment-in-time, me and others for voicing disagreement with them.

LOL did any of us suggest that Frank and MIT and others such should leave the country or are cowards or even hate the US and so on????????

Actually, I have been called a coward on this issue...and a toady...and a fascist...and a whole bunch of other things.

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@revelette2,

It's not about how you think about our government; that has absolutely no value - and neither does any one else's. We're discussion the issue of revealing the laws of our Constitution being broken by our own government.

When I was in the USAF, I had a Top Secret clearance, because my job was to work with nuclear weapons back in the late fifties. We were told by our commanders and people in our squadron never to talk about our jobs outside of the secured area. If caught, we would be fined $10,000 and 10 years in prison. That idea has stuck in my brain until Snowden revealed secrets about what the NSA was doing, and as the title of the thread shows, I was against it at first, but changed my mind after reading more opinions from people I respect.

However, learning that our own government breaking the laws of our Constitution is not something that we can ignore. We've been lied so many times during my lifetime by our government, we should be skeptical about their claims. They started too many wars on lies that resulted in too many suffering and death, and that cost our country trillions of dollars that could have improved all our lives.

When our president, congress, and those in high places all lie, we must be doubly cautious about what they claim.

Secret court? Don't make me laugh!

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@revelette2,

Rev: I do not know if they hate America, never said they did. I said dissing on America or Americans. It's a popular sport nowadays. Real easy to be on the side, a little harder to try and be balanced.

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You haven't learned much at all, Rev. The USA is in the small but constantly over dramatized position it is because the USA is the greatest terrorist group on the planet by a wide ******* margin.

If all countries had the same military power, the USA would be under constant attack from the, what?, hundred or so countries that the USA has terrorized, committed heinous war crimes against, stolen their wealth.

The USA is Nazi Germany continued over 150 years.

People don't diss the USA because it is the USA. They diss the USA like you assholes constantly and hypocritically diss the rest of the world like you are god's gift to the world.

People don't diss Americans just because they are Americans. You get dissed because of your staunch and ongoing "ignorance" of what the USA really is. Even those that know better feign this ignorance - people like you and frank and ... .

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@revelette2,

Rev: I do not think Snowden did a good thing even if he exposed things some people think we needed to know. Not only did he do it in a sneaky fashion, but in a reckless fashion putting people in harms way according to some reports and we really don't know all the harm he could have done. I know you and others disagree, fine.

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You just keep repeating the same old silly memes. Is that the sum total of American brain power?

No one has ever been shown to have been hurt or killed. Now weigh that against the numerous deat squads that the USA has organized and carried out. The casualties number in the millions.

Plus, why should/would anyone care if those who were aiding the USA in its terrorist actions against other countries was injured or killed?

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@Walter Hinteler,

The UK Archipelago.

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