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JTT
 
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Sat 15 Feb, 2014 09:00 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Care to discuss it, my brave little liar/coward?

Ignore, no ignore, ignore, no ignore - like petulant children!
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 15 Feb, 2014 09:08 pm
@JTT,
Hey, dummy, JTT. Pay attention; I ignore most of your posts; they;re boring and not worth the time to read. YOU'RE A ******* BORE! Don't get too excited when I peak into your posts once in awhile. They're full of bull shyt - as always. Didn't your parents teach you anything except hate the US and Americans? Yup, a ******* bore!
JTT
 
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Sat 15 Feb, 2014 10:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,

Care to discuss it, my brave little liar/coward?

Ignore, no ignore, ignore, no ignore - like petulant children!


anonymously99
 
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Sat 15 Feb, 2014 10:23 pm
@JTT,
I have no idea who you are.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 16 Feb, 2014 01:14 am
According to an exclusive report" by Der Siegel in German, German secret services (that's the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution and the military counterintelligence division of the German Forces) are planning intensively to spy on embassies etc of the USA and the UK.
This would mean a decades old change of policy.
The chair of the German Parliamentary Intelligence Services Committee is quoted: "We must protect ourselves, no matter from which side the danger is coming." And a conservative (Bavarian) lawmaker (spokesperson for interior affairs Stephan Mayer) said: "Even friendly countries must be looked at."
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 16 Feb, 2014 01:19 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Breaking news now in all German media ...."Counterintelligence of Germany against the US" ....
anonymously99
 
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Sun 16 Feb, 2014 02:15 am
@Walter Hinteler,




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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 16 Feb, 2014 02:19 am
@Walter Hinteler,
... and the NSA reportedly helped spying on a US law firm in a trade dispute, including "information covered by attorney-client privilege" ...
anonymously99
 
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Sun 16 Feb, 2014 02:20 am
@Walter Hinteler,
:batting my eyelashes at you:
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Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 16 Feb, 2014 06:46 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

And you might do better if, instead of playing Dr Freud with posters, you'd actually say something about the issues they are discussing. Even better, you could give those issues a thought or two... You know, try and see if perhaps they have a point? Ain't gona kill you and you would be a better poster as a result.


I have contributed more about the subject of this thread than you, Olivier. You are the one trying to make it about me.

And I'd sooner take lessons from Chris Christie on how to keep my weight down than lessons from you about how to make better posts.

Wink
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 16 Feb, 2014 06:48 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

According to an exclusive report" by Der Siegel in German, German secret services (that's the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution and the military counterintelligence division of the German Forces) are planning intensively to spy on embassies etc of the USA and the UK.
This would mean a decades old change of policy.
The chair of the German Parliamentary Intelligence Services Committee is quoted: "We must protect ourselves, no matter from which side the danger is coming." And a conservative (Bavarian) lawmaker (spokesperson for interior affairs Stephan Mayer) said: "Even friendly countries must be looked at."


Apparently that is something the US thought of a long time ago!

And I would hope that the Germans thought of it a long time ago also...and have been doing it for awhile already.

It is a prudent thing to do in a dangerous world.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 16 Feb, 2014 06:49 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Breaking news now in all German media ...."Counterintelligence of Germany against the US" ....


My guess would be there are people in the German intelligence community getting quite a chuckle out of that!
spendius
 
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Sun 16 Feb, 2014 07:19 am
@Frank Apisa,
Why is Apisa so stubbornly obtuse?

It is the NSA spying on American citizens without due process that is the crux of the matter. It was Eddie's constitutional piety, acquired through long and expert conditioning, that was shocked enough for him to go in to bat on behalf of those citizens.

Those whose constitutional piety is negligible will obviously not understand.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 16 Feb, 2014 07:25 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
My guess would be there are people in the German intelligence community getting quite a chuckle out of that!
I honestly think that your guess is wrong - WE don't live in the Nazi times anymore and don't have a STASI anymore, too.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 16 Feb, 2014 07:30 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
My guess would be there are people in the German intelligence community getting quite a chuckle out of that!
I honestly think that your guess is wrong - WE don't live in the Nazi times anymore and don't have a STASI anymore, too.


I understand, Walter...truly I do.

But you do live in a country that has an intelligence community...and ANY intelligence community that does not use all it has at its disposal to get as much information as possible...(from perceived friend or perceived foe)...

...simply is not doing its job. Or at least, that is my opinion.

To put this into perspective, I'd ask you the same question I have asked of so many American on the Snowden issue: Should intelligence spy only on people they know mean harm?

Hum?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 16 Feb, 2014 07:37 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
But you do live in a country that has an intelligence community...and ANY intelligence community that does not use all it has at its disposal to get as much information as possible...(from perceived friend or perceived foe)...

...simply is not doing its job. Or at least, that is my opinion.
I'm rather sure that our secret services (the military, the domestics [federal and state] as well as the main intelligence agency) follow the laws ... Exemptions are certainly possible, but such really would bring us back in the Nazi and/or Stasi period.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 16 Feb, 2014 07:38 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
To put this into perspective, I'd ask you the same question I have asked of so many American on the Snowden issue: Should intelligence spy only on people they know mean harm?

Hum?
Intelligence agencies should act within their legal frame and follow the laws.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 16 Feb, 2014 07:43 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
But you do live in a country that has an intelligence community...and ANY intelligence community that does not use all it has at its disposal to get as much information as possible...(from perceived friend or perceived foe)...

...simply is not doing its job. Or at least, that is my opinion.
I'm rather sure that our secret services (the military, the domestics [federal and state] as well as the main intelligence agency) follow the laws ... Exemptions are certainly possible, but such really would bring us back in the Nazi and/or Stasi period.


Okay...I am sure you do. I am sure many Germans do.

And that is one of the reasons I think there are many in your intelligence community who are getting a chuckle out of this news you are reporting.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 16 Feb, 2014 07:44 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
To put this into perspective, I'd ask you the same question I have asked of so many American on the Snowden issue: Should intelligence spy only on people they know mean harm?

Hum?
Intelligence agencies should act within their legal frame and follow the laws.


That doesn't really answer the question, Walter.

Let me ask a question that might lead to an actual answer to the previous question though:

Do your laws require that your intelligence community spy ONLY on people they know intend to harm?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 16 Feb, 2014 07:56 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
Let me ask a question that might lead to an actual answer to the previous question though:

Do your laws require that your intelligence community spy ONLY on people they know intend to harm?
They have a legal framework - and can only work due to that (watched by the parliamentary committee).

I think, Frank, you really don't get what happened here twice in Germany's past.
WE DON'T WANT THOSE TIMES BACK.
 

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