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Snowdon is a dummy

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JPB
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 06:01 pm
@revelette2,
He wants the espionage charges dropped. Even Frank has said from the beginning that he shouldn't have been charged with espionage.
revelette2
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 06:02 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
I have seen some "indications" that it might.


Where?
JTT
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 06:02 pm
@revelette2,
Edward Snowden is calling for openness and transparency and the USA wants closed doors, secret courts, star chambers, torture chambers, illegal rendition, invasions of sovereign nations on flimsy notions, ... .

What you have been supporting,Rev, is light years from what is supposed to be the American way.
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JPB
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 06:04 pm
@revelette2,
The jury would either be prevented from hearing, or told that it couldn't take a public benefit defense into account, because that's not a legal defense in this country. But that IS his defense! The evidence that he couldn't give is the evidence of why his actions were justified.
JTT
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 06:05 pm
@revelette2,
No individual is required to aid and support those who are committing crimes.
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spendius
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 06:13 pm
@revelette2,
Quote:
Where?


Keep your eye on reports revel.
revelette2
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 06:14 pm
@JPB,
I can't answer for Frank, however, the charges he is charged with are from the 1917 Espionage Act. From what I can tell, the charges fit the crime.

Quote:
Federal prosecutors have filed a criminal complaint against Edward Snowden, the former National Security Agency contractor who leaked a trove of documents about top-secret surveillance programs, and the United States has asked Hong Kong to detain him on a provisional arrest warrant, according to U.S. officials.

Snowden was charged with theft, “unauthorized communication of national defense information” and “willful communication of classified communications intelligence information to an unauthorized person,” according to the complaint. The last two charges were brought under the 1917 Espionage Act.

source
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revelette2
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 06:15 pm
@spendius,
So you really don't have a source for your statement yet?
revelette2
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 06:17 pm
@JPB,
I don't know what's a legal defense in this country, I'll take your word you know what you are talking about. I am sure smart lawyers can find a way to defend him. In my honest opinion, there really is no defense, but that's just my opinion.
spendius
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 06:21 pm
@revelette2,
Quote:
So you really don't have a source for your statement yet?


I do. One from Obarmy and one from Kerry. But I must admit I don't know whether the reports were true. And you did say "indications".
JPB
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 06:22 pm
@revelette2,
Smart lawyers have told him to stay right where he is for now.
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 07:28 pm
@revelette2,
You wrote,
Quote:
The simple fact is that Snowden broke the law when he stole classified documents he had no business stealing, regardless of any good it did.


It's not for you to determine the value of stealing classified documents when the government itself is breaking the laws of the land.
glitterbag
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 07:32 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

This guy gives away national security information against the laws of this country, and he complains that the president and vice president are attempting to deny him asylum.

What does he expect? A million dollar reward and a two week vacation at a five star resort?

Quote:
Snowden blames Obama for trying to block his efforts to find asylum



Apparently you've had a change of heart.
JTT
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 07:45 pm
@glitterbag,
It's hard to escape the clutches of the most successful propaganda campaign the world has ever seen, glitter, but CI has made it in this regard at least.

You're still hardcore red white and blue despite the fact that the USA is covered in red, the blood of millions.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 07:50 pm
@glitterbag,
Where have you been? I've changed my stance on this issue about 1000 posts ago.
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revelette2
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 08:08 pm
@JPB,
They probably know what they are talking about.
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revelette2
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 08:11 pm
@spendius,
Well, can you at least tell me what those indications quotes might be so I can look it up? Otherwise your statement is a bit inane.
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BillRM
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 08:14 pm
Congress should pass a law that to used the secret classification knowingly to cover up any crime should in itself be a serous crime.
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revelette2
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 08:15 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Where in any of my post did I indicate a value for what Snowden did? This is the quote you replied to:



Quote:
The simple fact is that Snowden broke the law when he stole classified documents he had no business stealing, regardless of any good it did
.

I said regardless of any good, I didn't say it was good or bad or give any value, so your post makes no sense to me.
glitterbag
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 08:35 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Right here. Surprised you can't wait for the evidence. I'm just hopeful that no DOD person was targeted by the stolen documents exploited by the 10 week wonder.
 

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