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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
Olivier5
 
  3  
Thu 30 Jan, 2014 05:25 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I don't have time for this. In a nutshell, the US has for a long time tried to prevent any global agreement on climate change, to protect its short-term economic interests (read: big oil). This is IMO misguided in that our own kids will suffer as a result of a few men's greed. Now we've learnt that NSA resources have been used to spy on the delegations to the Copenhagen summit in order to derail it, IOW to sabotage the security of future American generations. I find it really aggravating.
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spendius
 
  5  
Thu 30 Jan, 2014 06:03 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Perhaps that is true, Olivier...I honestly do not know.


Why the "honestly". Was that a special occasion?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 30 Jan, 2014 06:04 pm
@spendius,
Mr. Green
spendius
 
  3  
Thu 30 Jan, 2014 06:09 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I don't know why you are grimacing at me ci.

If Apisa has to emphasise when he is being honest it implies that he might nor be being honest at other times.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 30 Jan, 2014 06:40 pm
@spendius,
Spendi, You need a lesson on emoticons. Mr. Green
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 30 Jan, 2014 11:29 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Just watched a movie about the NSA. It probably reveals a lot about what they are capable of doing and are doing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKxQv_SVBSY&hd=1
spendius
 
  1  
Fri 31 Jan, 2014 06:18 am
@cicerone imposter,
Sorry ci. I don't use emoticons.
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BillRM
 
  1  
Fri 31 Jan, 2014 06:20 am
This **** is never ending.....suggestion used either tor or a vpn at any US or Canadian or UK airport.


Quote:
By: Jessica McDiarmid News reporter, Published on Thu Jan 30 2014

A federal electronic spy agency tracked thousands of people who passed through a Canadian airport using information gleaned from free wireless Internet service, reports the CBC.
Citing a secret document leaked by former U.S. security contractor Edward Snowden, CBC reported that Communications Security Establishment Canada (CSEC) collected data from passengers’ smartphones and laptops over a two-week period and tracked those devices for a week or longer afterward.
CSEC is tasked with collecting foreign intelligence under law and can’t target Canadians, or anyone within Canada, without a warrant. CBC quoted several experts who said CSEC’s actions were “almost certainly illegal.”
The document leaked is a 27-page presentation on a “trial run” of the program, dated May 2012, reported the CBC. The technology was to be shared with the so-called “Five Eyes” spy partnership composed of Canada, the U.S., Britain, New Zealand and Australia.
CSEC spokesperson Lauri Sullivan told the Star Thursday night that the “classified document in question is a technical presentation between specialists exploring mathematical models built on everyday scenarios to identify and locate foreign terrorist threats.”
Its unauthorized disclosure puts those techniques at risk, she wrote in an email.
CSEC is tasked with collecting foreign intelligence to protect Canadians, she said. That includes collecting and analyzing metadata, the “technical information used to route communications, and not the contents of a communication.”
“No Canadian or foreign travellers were tracked. No Canadian communications were, or are, targeted, collected or used.”
CBC suggested CSEC got the information from the airport wireless system from a “special source,” though it’s not entirely clear how. The broadcaster reported that Canada’s two largest airports in Toronto and Vancouver did not provide the spy agency with the data.
Ontario privacy commissioner Ann Cavoukian said she was “blown away” by the document, likening CSEC’s methods to those of a “totalitarian state, not a free and open society,” according to CBC.
The spy agency has been under fire for its clandestine activities of late, with a Federal Court judge slamming CSEC in December for “deliberately” withholding information from the courts in an attempt to “keep the court in the dark.”
Snowden, who is living in Russia on a one-year asylum while facing espionage charges in the U.S., has leaked a series of embarrassing documents detailing NSA spying activities, some of which are linked to its Canadian counterpart.
In November, documents revealed that the Canadian government had allowed the NSA to set up shop in the American embassy in Ottawa during the G8 and G20 global summits in June 2010.
Previous Snowden documents suggested Canada worked with the U.S. and Britain to spy on high-powered attendees at the G20 Summit in London in 2009. And another leak in October showed CSEC had been spying on Brazil’s Ministry of Mines and Energy, a revelation that outraged the South American country.
Read more about: Edward Sn
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Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Fri 31 Jan, 2014 07:47 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The documents are published online here by the blog of the Danish newspaper Dagbladet Information.

From the above source:
Quote:

http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/a_zps9939e157.jpg
http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/b_zps2ce2df0a.jpg


It's all about national security and that of US-citizens, what NSA did and does ...
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Frank Apisa
 
  -1  
Fri 31 Jan, 2014 08:22 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Mr. Green


http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/funny/1/vomit.gif
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glitterbag
 
  2  
Fri 31 Jan, 2014 09:08 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Just watched a movie about the NSA. It probably reveals a lot about what they are capable of doing and are doing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKxQv_SVBSY&hd=1


You have to have gone completely around the bend. A Hollywood flick about NSA and you think it's accurate????? Frankly, that's just insulting and makes you look like a boob. I'm guessing you think Harry Potter is a MI 5 operative. If you want a more realistic film, check what was done by National Geographic that is the most thorough and unfogged explanation of what the NSA actually does. Everybody is getting their panties bunched when the actual truth is, the NSA is just not that into you. Does anybody remember where Americans troops are currently dodging bullets?
BillRM
 
  1  
Fri 31 Jan, 2014 10:12 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
You have to have gone completely around the bend. A Hollywood flick about NSA and you think it's accurate?????


Hell no Hollywood script writer could come up with what these high tech peeking toms had done with a 100 billions or so a year budget.
glitterbag
 
  2  
Fri 31 Jan, 2014 10:36 pm
@BillRM,
You and the horse you rode in on.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 31 Jan, 2014 11:48 pm
@glitterbag,
There's no "bend" any place; it's about the NSA's ability to get information that is highly possible from the revelations provided by Snowden and shared by the media.

If you don't believe what the NSA is capable of, please present proof that they are not capable of what was shown in the film.

Your personal insults only proves you have nothing to back up your position.

Show me the beef? Otherwise, go to hell!
glitterbag
 
  2  
Sat 1 Feb, 2014 01:00 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

There's no "bend" any place; it's about the NSA's ability to get information that is highly possible from the revelations provided by Snowden and shared by the media.

If you don't believe what the NSA is capable of, please present proof that they are not capable of what was shown in the film.

Your personal insults only proves you have nothing to back up your position.

Show me the beef? Otherwise, go to hell!




Well as nice as it is to hear from you, did you ever work for DOD? I retired after 32 years from NSA, and I have signed an oath not to discuss classified information (regardless of how old it is). Have you been in the military? Have you ever gone on assignment to a foreign country as a DOD Civilian employee? I gave you a wonderful opportunity to look up the National Geo film on NSA, but if you believe in Harry Potter and Brad Pitts depiction of how intelligence works, I suppose you're just not a whole lot different from so many other Americans who sit safely in their easy chairs complaining about things they really don't understand. Just waiting for news-lite to wrap up so everybody can get to the real meaty issues, like Access Hollywood.

Snowden was not an NSA employee, he was a high-school dropout, who at the age of 29 managed to impress a defense contractor he was the best thing since sliced bread. So in a total of 10 weeks he steals information he is not cleared for, doesn't understand, releases a mixture of quasi info and dis-info, and flees to China then to Russia to avoid being targeted by mysterious swat teams who will blast him into pieces instead of facing a jury of his peers. What I find interesting, is that if he even attempted to discredit Russia, he'd be a dead man. Our prisons still hold Aldrich Ames, Robert Hanson, John Walker, Jonathan pollard, and who can forget Ron Pelton, an actual NSA employee arrested, tried and convicted of passing info to the Soviet Union. Actually walked into the Russian Embassy bold, offering his services.

I've said it before, if he thought the program was illegal, he could have contacted Thomas Drake, Kirk Weibe and other folks involved in actual whistle blowing. And he should have started with the IG, house and senate over site
So my next question is, do you feel safer knowing China & Russia now have everything that traitor passed to them, or do you still worry you are under surveillance. Unless you are conversing with Taliban operatives in Peru, I think you can relax.

Show you the beef, show me your need to know, and have your office provide my office with evidence of your clearances and sensitive program access. Then, I'll let the FBI know you need proof regarding sensitive government programs and they will assist you.

Before you do that, wander into the biggest State or County police department, and ask them to show you pictures along with phone numbers and addresses of the police undercover efforts to break up kiddie porn rings, and white slavery operations. Just tell them to show you the beef, because you are an American and need to know how your tax dollars are being spent.

I might wind up going to hell, but not because you suggested it. I leave that decision to my maker to decide if the years I spent with DOD make me less or more worthy than you.

My husband still works at NSA, and we don't share info on various programs we were read in on. That asshole Snowden might be the flavor of the day, but I'm bound by oath, something Snowden also was, I just honor my commitment, he didn't.
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Sat 1 Feb, 2014 04:06 am
@glitterbag,
By all accounts the members of the SS lived by a code of honor with binding oaths too, that did not prevent them from being evil.
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izzythepush
 
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Sat 1 Feb, 2014 04:28 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
Izzy, the alternative is ONLY TO COLLECT DATA ON PEOPLE WHO INTEND TO COMMIT TERRORISM.

Is that what you are advocating?


Sorry for taking so long to reply, but I forgot about it. You're wrong, and setting up a false premise. There are plenty of alternatives to mass data trawling, which as David Davis has pointed out is not effective. You can target resources more effective, look at who is downloading jihadi literature, far right literature, bomb making information. Target the people who use specific websites, those they associate with. That's going to be a much more effective use of resources, because at the end of the day the real hard core will be off the grid, and you won't find them by seeing what trousers I bought from ebay.
spendius
 
  0  
Sat 1 Feb, 2014 06:44 am
@izzythepush,
Is it not possible, izzy, that we are missing the point? That the terror threat is a red herring and the population is the real target for the very good reason that it is becoming unmanageable. Media can make or break a candidate for office. Prime time TV debates between candidates were resisted by the political class at first. It's hand was forced by a long media campaign.

The legal profession seems able to declare what is constitutional and what is not on the basis Rabelais suggested: tossing a coin. Religion is fading away. One might say better that it is on the bench. Or in the Sin Bin.

The military have us all by the short hairs.

And what do we get with TV debates? High ratings and cheap productions. Profit. Football matches are covered with higher production values that TV debates. And it is obvious what a mine-field the TV debate is for politicians from the amount of coaching the performers put themselves through to prepare for it. And we get to see the "cut of their jib" which we don't with the Media people who have granted themselves permission to discuss it endlessly, hiding their trousers or flashing their knees as necessary, and render it all meaningless in the final end which it is if the "stick rattling in a bucket" idea has validity. Which it has. Politicians look like dick-heads and Media people look like geniuses.

We are denied a chance of the first-rate politician if he is not attractive on TV. I watched half an hour of a Republican debate and went down to the bookies and backed Obarmy. He was odds on of course but money for jam is not something that particularly repels me.

Mass surveillance might well be necessary to maintain speed and the correct course. Which I presume we are all in favour of.

The bail-outs and the QE programme are "muck-sweat" measures. Governments had lost control to financial institutions as was the case when a Republican President, Theodore Roosevelt, became a trust-buster. And haven't got it back yet.

Matters of that sort were a preoccupation of Roman emperors.

If you think that's a bit mixed up and incomprehensibly try getting your head around the subject it purports to be depicting.
izzythepush
 
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Sat 1 Feb, 2014 06:52 am
@spendius,
Did you see the TV series The Power Of Nightmares?

That seems to go along with what you're saying.
spendius
 
  1  
Sat 1 Feb, 2014 08:01 am
@izzythepush,
I don't necessarily find it a nightmare. A Luddite mystic might have predicted it as long as he had his own nightmare on Ignore.

I have never heard of the series. I only watch sport, read the strips on the bottom of all the news channels and bits of Sky Arts. I like seeing the nostalgia for Christian tunes and settings being milked by a traveling circus with mobile phones, jet planes and much else techno. Andre Rieu looks like he sees the irony.

I make exceptions and watch longer items when I know somebody is being made to look ridiculous.

I have read Mustapha Mond's justification in BNW and it's persuasive. Viewed as dystopian it is Luddite material. It's badly written though but Huxley was in a hurry. The NSA's surveillance results would be printed out on Mustapha's tele-news screen as routinely as he takes his sedatives.
 

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